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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2011, 06:49:48 PM » |
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mr nurdin is right, pssi is the only organisation with authority from fifa
irfan is not strictly speaking naturalised
a 3 billion rupiah salary pehaps convinced him to join lpi
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2011, 09:27:01 PM » |
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Miles ahead of Tor, isn't he? Really good. "Subpar" is an odd choice of word – indeed, it's not even in my dictionary – but that's just me being a pernickety arse. |
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Vinnie
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2011, 09:30:04 PM » |
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It's not you under a pseudonym, is it?
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2011, 12:47:44 AM » |
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Hi..I start this topic coz I want to know the opinion from others regarding the football chaos in Indonesia.
We used to have one league running called Indonesia Super League (ISL) under Indonesian Football Association (PSSI) but due to some problems inside PSSI - corruption and so on (including the very persistent Chairman, Mr. Nurdin Halid who refuse to retreat, and once even ruled PSSI behind the bars) 
a successful businessman in Indonesia decided to establish an equal league called Indonesia Premier League (LPI) for the sake of Indonesian football.
However, PSSI refuse to acknowledge the league and creating a rule that for those players play for LPI will lose their chance to play in the national team although they have good skills. This would be such a loss for the country, right ? 
Mr. Nurdin believed that PSSI is the only organization with full authority given by FIFA to organize a league in Indonesia.
Some talented naturalization young players like Irfan Bachdim somehow decided to play in LPI instead of ISL.
Legally, PSSI owns the rights to all football activities in Indonesia and leagues will have to have its permission to operate. However, on this side of the pond, Thailand included, there seem to be a confusion between goeverning body and ownership. Had PSSI stayed clear of any involvement and acts as governing body managing training and standard of football it would be a clear role and any new league would have to petition for its approval, period. FIFA is a non-profit money making agency and it will be interesting on how it will decide on the faith of Indonesian football leagues. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2011, 05:55:54 AM » |
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It's not you under a pseudonym, is it?
nope, they use my real name. i have no problem with inventing new words, some geezer named shakespear did it plenty of times and no one worried about that too much! |
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2011, 04:45:16 PM » |
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It's not you under a pseudonym, is it?
nope, they use my real name. i have no problem with inventing new words, some geezer named shakespear did it plenty of times and no one worried about that too much! Whether they were genuine inventions or first attestations is perhaps a debate to be had elsewhere.  |
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2011, 06:39:52 PM » |
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for me language is flexible and best practised with out the constraint of artificial and constricting rules
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2011, 09:03:02 PM » |
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for me language is flexible and best practised with out the constraint of artificial and constricting rules
But language isn't organised into rules in a literal sense – with the sole exception of Esperanto. What we refer to as grammatical 'rules' or punctuation 'rules' or spelling 'rules' aren't unbreakable laws but a consensus developed over the centuries. And that consensus, of course, evolves and shifts. So Mr Satwiko is more than welcome to describe the state of refereeing in Indonesia as "subpar" just as I am welcome to start sentences with "but" and "and" as I have done in this post. I think all one can say about the rules is that one shouldn't drift too far from them so as to be misunderstood. Anyway, back to teaching eight-year-olds the days of the week! |
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2011, 05:25:35 AM » |
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the 'consensus' as you described it usually came from nutty Scottish priests applying Latin grammar rules to a language that was essentially Anglo Saxon in origin
i know one guy who ruminates endlessly on grammar and its rules and he says to split an infinitive is absolutely wrong and nearly as bad as mass murder. as an individual he is totally lacking in imagination and couldn't infer the time of day without three watches
luckily i grew up with punk...rules is for fools!
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2011, 01:59:39 PM » |
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the 'consensus' as you described it usually came from nutty Scottish priests applying Latin grammar rules to a language that was essentially Anglo Saxon in origin
i know one guy who ruminates endlessly on grammar and its rules and he says to split an infinitive is absolutely wrong and nearly as bad as mass murder. as an individual he is totally lacking in imagination and couldn't infer the time of day without three watches
luckily i grew up with punk...rules is for fools!
I can't believe there's anyone left who clings onto that split infinitive nonsense! Even the following comes from a dusty, old grammar dictionary: But this view [that to split an infinitive is incorrect] is quite wrong: the infinitive is a single word; the particle 'to' is not part of the infinitive or part of the verb at all; and the sequence 'to touch' (for example) is not a grammatical unit of any kind, as shown by the fact that it can be readily interrupted by other material.Dangling participles are another matter, though. And don't get me started on 'was sat' and 'was stood'! |
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2011, 01:27:37 AM » |
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English is complicated, innit? :  |
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2011, 04:51:08 PM » |
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And, the chaos continues for Indonesian football management agency. Only this time it involves FIFA representative as well as a borderline government officials interferrence. It could jeopardise Indonesia football in its future International football participation but it could also expose FIFA's hypocracy in that relationship to gain support and money from the government are welcome but do not govern how we conduct ourselves or use they money. I love football, I lothe FIFA and I wish the best of luck to Merah Putehk |
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