Thailand Premier League

[lokomotive]

and who says that Pattaya is better than Southampton and Nonthaburi? Everybody up to his own. And wouldnt it be kind from you to be more kind inyour wording here, instead of flaming the people? You always can talk and discuss about football, but there is no need here to offend others.

[the_englishman]

so are we talking about football or about pussy?
what made you move from the shitty southampton to the even shitter nonthaburi?
maybe this http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/2004/07/southampton/ ?
 : : :

Well you see, the difference is that I was born in Southampton, so I had no choice there. It has gone downhill, and I've done what I can to fight that trend.  Still, your link was simply to a site with one person posting a thread, that means nothing. I could do the same for, say, Oslo, right now.

As for Nonthaburi, I think you would be in the very small minority declaring the whole thing 'Shit',  whereas I think most people would agree that a fairly high proportion of farang who choose to live in Pattaya have certain reasons for doing so. Not all of them, to be sure, but a good proportion of them.

[alldo]

Well said loko he is a chump : what does he no about football

[paulo8]

and who says that Pattaya is better than Southampton and Nonthaburi?

did I say that? 

Well said loko he is a chump : what does he no about football

I no noting 

Moving on, let's talk about football guys  and tell me why, if pattaya united cheated, they have not been penalised or whatever

[paulo8]

I think most people would agree that a fairly high proportion of farang who choose to live in Pattaya have certain reasons for doing so. Not all of them, to be sure, but a good proportion of them.

the point is: are u sure I live in Pattaya? 
As I just stated, let's talk about football guys 

[alldo]

i dont no what country you come from but in  england if you play a player WHO IS BAND  and win and get caught you lose points and have some respect

[paulo8]

a very touching speech  by alldo who didn't reply to my question:
why, if pattaya united cheated, they have not been penalised or whatever?

 :

[the_englishman]

a very touching speech  by alldo who didn't reply to my question:
why, if pattaya united cheated, they have not been penalised or whatever?

 :

As far as I know, we have no FA staff on here so we cannot answer the question. And that is why we are left wondering.

It is not disputed that they fielded an ineligible player, and Jadet received a two match touchline ban. This seems meek to the point of shock, given that West Ham were fined 5.5 million pounds for fielding two ineligible players in the UK for example.

Likewise, your 'sue them' comment seems pointless as you would be suing the people who deal out punishments......because you didn't like the punishment.

[SriRachaShark]

Btw, he also mentioned that they need to find a way to support the clubs for their away travels. As it is very tough to take the bus going from Chiang Mai to Naratiwat for example.

I always assumed that financial support was provided for teams that had to make long journeys. Here's an idea. Why don't they give the money they made from the Chonburi game at the weekend to Narathiwat and Chiang Rai?

I'd rather see it donated to charity, Vinnie. Wouldn't that be a nice gesture. And, in terms they can maybe understand, good PR for FAT.

[SriRachaShark]

First of my 3 parter on TPL and MTU.
Dale, maybe it would suit your fanzine?
http://muangthongunitedfc.blogspot.com/2009/10/reflections-on-thai-football-2009-part.html

A good read, Greg. I'll certainly be using it in the fanzine. Thanks. And I'm looking forward to the ret of it.

For some reason JC's video won't play for me so I don't know if Vijit is claiming all the credit for spotting the marketing potential or not. I sincerely hope that he acknowledges Chonburi FC's part in the upsurge in interest in the local game. It really did start with us.

This reminds me that I still have to send you some material. And I still wait for receiving one from you

I haven't forgotten, Loko. However, most of the stuff for the fanzine is stored on my computer at work and I'm currently on holiday. I'll get it to you early next week.

[SriRachaShark]

And those three points that P*ttaya cheated out of SriRacha have kept them up. Scandalous!!

I know supporting a weak side is painful, but you shouldn't write rubbish 

As you are a new member, do you know the situation to which SriRachaShark refers?

EDIT: This is a genuine enquiry and not intended to sound patronising.

Yes, I do. So all of you really think shark  is right???
I I trust more TPL board than a drowned shark from Sri Racha

So what do you like about Pattaya? Let me guess, the food?

Dale, make sure you're not drinking tea when you see the interview (you probably need to install adobe flash BTW) because you might spit it out when he starts to give credit to certain teams :-)

Thanks for the warning, Greg. I think it's my slow internet connection that is to blame. I probably don't even need to watch it now

[lokomotive]

First of my 3 parter on TPL and MTU.
Dale, maybe it would suit your fanzine?
http://muangthongunitedfc.blogspot.com/2009/10/reflections-on-thai-football-2009-part.html

A good read, Greg. I'll certainly be using it in the fanzine. Thanks. And I'm looking forward to the ret of it.

For some reason JC's video won't play for me so I don't know if Vijit is claiming all the credit for spotting the marketing potential or not. I sincerely hope that he acknowledges Chonburi FC's part in the upsurge in interest in the local game. It really did start with us.

This reminds me that I still have to send you some material. And I still wait for receiving one from you

I haven't forgotten, Loko. However, most of the stuff for the fanzine is stored on my computer at work and I'm currently on holiday. I'll get it to you early next week.

So than, have a nice holiday and enjoy our tea 

[the_englishman]

Part 2 of 3:
http://muangthongunitedfc.blogspot.com/2009/10/reflections-on-thai-football-2009-part_20.html

[lokomotive]

Sri Racha and Chula fall in last day drama

With Muang Thong United winning the Thai Premier League last week, the focus of Sunday's last round of matches was on the fight for survival.

In the end, it was Chula United and Sri Racha FC who joined already relegated Nakhon Pathom FC to go down to the first division.

Piyapong Pue-on was hired by Nakhon Pathom with a few games to go in their last-ditch attempt to avoid the drop but it was too late for the former Thailand striker to save them from relegation.

Chula finished second from bottom in the 16-team league after losing 2-1 at Pattaya United. They should not have anything to complain about as they were in the drop zone from the opening day of the season.

"No miracle," Chula said on their website http://www.chulautd.com.

Sri Racha fought spiritedly in the home stretch and secured a 3-1 win at Osotspa M-150 on the final day. But that was not enough for them to stay up in the TPL as fate was not in their own hands.

They ended the season with 30 points along with Bangkok United who drew 1-1 at Samut Songkhram. But Sri Racha were relegated because of their inferior head-to-head record against the capital side.

Bangkok United, backed by the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration, looked good enough to comfortably remain in the league as they were in mid-table for most of the season.

But they ran out of steam in the final few weeks and were lucky to escape from the demotion. They will have to work harder next season to avoid another struggle.

Chula became better in the second half of the season when Narong Suwannachote and Pichai Pituwong were appointed coaches.

With a couple of fine players including striker Sompong Soleb, who scored nine goals, Chula should be one of the favourites to make a quick return to the TPL.

Sri Racha would be a contender for promotion if they can keep all their players.

However, it might not be easy for them to return to the top flight as the first division is now more competitive. Now that the TPL is popular, first division sides have tried harder to gain promotion.

Runaway first division champions Police United along with the Royal Thai Army and Si Sa Ket have been promoted to the top league.

The Police and the Army have been in the top flight before and look capable of staying in the TPL for more than one season.

Si Sa Ket were promoted ahead of Khon Kaen on the final day after Si Sa Ket beat the Customs 5-1 and Khon Kaen drew 1-1 with Thai Airways-Ban Bueng.

Si Sa Ket will be the first team from the Northeast to play in the TPL. However, they are tipped to go back to the first division unless they drastically strengthen their squad.

Meanwhile, new Thailand coach Bryan Robson was among the spectators who watched Muang Thong United beat BEC Tero Sasana 2-0 at the packed Thunderdome on Sunday.

Robson was impressed by the atmosphere and said he did not think that the league would attract such a huge crowd.

"It's a fantastic atmosphere," said the former Manchester United captain.

Robson might have felt that he was at Old Trafford as Muang Thong have tried to become Thailand's Man U with the Kirins' official song using the tune of Glory, Glory Man United.

Robson's one criticism was that the pitch was not up to standard and this made it difficult for the players to enjoy a passing game.

Vichit Yamboonruang, chairman of the Thai Premier League Co, admitted that the league needed improvement in many things including the officiating which led to a number of protests and walk-outs.

Vichit, a former Thailand international, should know that it is more painful when your team lose because of bad refereeing than because of your opponent's skills.

Concerned parties and club representatives will discuss problems at a seminar next month, he said.

I think they should also look at the safety of stadiums several of which have makeshift stands.

Hopefully, they can find ways to make the league better and safer.

Robson was impressed by the atmosphere and said he did not think that the league would attract such a huge crowd.

What he did over the last few weeks? Did he listen to Reid and Darby?

[paulo8]

It is not disputed that they fielded an ineligible player, and Jadet received a two match touchline ban. This seems meek to the point of shock, given that West Ham were fined 5.5 million pounds for fielding two ineligible players in the UK for example.

I'm delighted to see you are finally getting it.
Now I have one more question which probably will make you understand my point of view for good:
-Pattaya Utd fielded a not eligible player-True
-Jadet has been banned for this reason- True
That said: don't you think FA punished Jadet according to the FA law? We can discuss about its fairness, but as long as the "executioners" enforced the current rules, why talking about scandal? 

 

[the_englishman]

It is not disputed that they fielded an ineligible player, and Jadet received a two match touchline ban. This seems meek to the point of shock, given that West Ham were fined 5.5 million pounds for fielding two ineligible players in the UK for example.

I'm delighted to see you are finally getting it.
Now I have one more question which probably will make you understand my point of view for good:
-Pattaya Utd fielded a not eligible player-True
-Jadet has been banned for this reason- True
That said: don't you think FA punished Jadet according to the FA law? We can discuss about its fairness, but as long as the "executioners" enforced the current rules, why talking about scandal? 

 

Ah yes the old 'pretend I was the one in the know all along" tactic, the fallback of ten year olds.

"That said: don't you think FA punished Jadet according to the FA law? "

You tell me, since you're the one who "gets" it. Please show us the TFA laws regarding the fielding of inelgible players.


"but as long as the "executioners" enforced the current rules, why talking about scandal?"
Intreesting logic there, basically you are saying nobody should ever complain about any form of authority.

[paulo8]

You tell me, since you're the one who "gets" it. Please show us the TFA laws regarding the fielding of inelgible players.

you should do it as you are talking about a "scandal".
I think everything is OK so I'm not interested at all in searching it

Intreesting logic there, basically you are saying nobody should ever complain about any form of authority.

It's not hard to get. The law says a certain punishment for a certain behaviour: where is the scandal? Is the law not fair? OK we can discuss it. But if you don't like the rules you can't claim it's a scandal. I would call them "unfair rules".

[druryfire]

I for one would like to know what the rules are - surely this is an AFC requirement.

My local league gives every player a rule book so we all know the rules if/when something happens.

Pattaya played a player who shouldn't have played. So Pattaya should have been found guilty, not a coach who was more than likely told to play him or leave the club.

But it's not just this instance, why ban one team from playing at home for a distubance of an individual, surely your rules would state, 'ban the man who casued the distubance, not the club'?


You say the law says a certain punishment for a certain behaviour, but nobody as ever seen these laws

[the_englishman]

I think this is the point that our new friend is missing. There are, to my (our) knowledge, NO set rules on this. I mentioned this in my latest blog - we need standardised rules.

[paulo8]

I think this is the point that our new friend is missing. There are, to my (our) knowledge, NO set rules on this. I mentioned this in my latest blog - we need standardised rules.

Finally we agree 
But please, don't call it scandal. It's just third world football, still growing

 

[SriRachaShark]

'It's just third world football, still growing"

Sorry, I have to disagree with that statement. There has been organised football in Thailand for a long long time and Worawi has been an executive member of FIFA (the World governing body) for a number of years so there is absolutely no excuse for him not knowing what happens in most, if not all, other countries when teams field a player who is suspended or inelligible - Thailand is also a member of FIFA.

As druryfire says, even in the most basic leagues, you are given a list of rules and regulations at the start of each season which cover most eventualities that could occur, and the penalties are quite clearly highlighted. I've only ever played at local level in England, and Thailand, and this has always been the case; the Burton and District League was particulary hot on docking points for teams who breached the unregistered/suspended player law.

It is the seemingly random nature of FAT's decisions on such issues that angers the fans. They do seem to have a particularly ad hoc approach to dealing with things and certain clubs benefit from this. They need to be more transparent, and consistent, especially with the AFC breathing down their necks.

[paulo8]

It's a paradox but although agreeing with you I still confirm my opinion: it's third world football, not only because of its level (which is now growing more and more, luckily) but ESPECIALLY because of the lack of laws.
Being a Thai football fan, I obviously hope it will make strides in the very next future in order to avoid issues like the one we are discussing.

p.s.about Fifa: Blatter is its boss since 1998 although being 100% incompetent, so IMO being part of Fifa board doesn't automatically mean to be persons who have a deep football knowledge . I don't know Worawi, but perhaps could be a another good example. 

 

[the_englishman]

Paulo, although you attributed the word 'scandal' to me twice, I've never used it in this discussion.
As Shark said, we cannot use excuses such as 'third world football' , the Thai FA are well educated, knowledgeable people. When they make decisions that are clearly very bad, I think fans have a right to moan.
You present an opinion of Blatter as fact. I'm not a great fan of him but I don't think anyone becomes FIFA boss if they are 100% incompetent. The silver goal rule is fine, for example.


I do agree with you though about the urgency for a set of stated and transparent laws.

[jakartacasual]

blatter and his ilk are not football people, they are politicians. they do not do things for football reasons they do them for political reasons

anyone remember that havelunge geezer? or whataboyut that guy from the caribean who takes every opportunity to have a pop at the english fa...we gave his lot a friendly way back and still he whinges, probably because the english envelopes contain a lot less than those from other countries

[lokomotive]

I agree with you jc regarding blatter. SO far as I know, the only guy in the comitee, with a lot of football knowledge is the well known german Kaiser Franz. He probably could become the next FIFA prasident. And would than be the first coming from football I guess.

[the_englishman]

I agree with you jc regarding blatter. SO far as I know, the only guy in the comitee, with a lot of football knowledge is the well known german Kaiser Franz. He probably could become the next FIFA prasident. And would than be the first coming from football I guess.

Loco....have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VCJVZ2I9zY

:-)

[bon-nirnam]

According to Stever Darby, Blatter was one of his coaching instructors when he took A-license course.
That was about 30 years ago but that's it, thirty years ago.

Speaking of football people or not football people, however,  full house, straight flush or royal flush whatever you're looking for, at FAT we have it all 

 

[SriRachaShark]

"Chonburi FC Success Sets A Great Example"

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6171

You all owe us so much

[jakartacasual]

According to Stever Darby, Blatter was one of his coaching instructors when he took A-license course.
That was about 30 years ago but that's it, thirty years ago.

Speaking of football people or not football people, however,  full house, straight flush or royal flush whatever you're looking for, at FAT we have it all 

 

even the odd joker

[Vinnie]

blatter and his ilk are not football people, they are politicians. they do not do things for football reasons they do them for political reasons

anyone remember that havelunge geezer? or whataboyut that guy from the caribean who takes every opportunity to have a pop at the english fa...we gave his lot a friendly way back and still he whinges, probably because the english envelopes contain a lot less than those from other countries

Jack Warner. Total crook. It says a lot about FIFA that this parasite is still a FIFA vice-president.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Warner_(football_executive)

[Vinnie]

Can anyone help me with that link? Why is the closing bracket not being included in the link?

[the_englishman]

http://tinyurl.com/yl5mmrm

You can go to tinyurl.com when you have problems like that.

[lokomotive]

Just have seen that Rajnavy is playing a friendly vs HAGL on 1st of November. Kick off 17:00.

[SriRachaShark]

From www.thaileaguefootball.com

The 2010 Thai Premier League season will start on the 5th of March. The first round will be played over the 5th and 6th. The season will then have a one month break in June and will conclude in September.


Therefore, by my reckoning, there will be possibly 5 midweek rounds of fixtures during the league season and the FA Cup will still be a Wednesday afternoon/early evening competition.

[Vinnie]

So what happened to the proposed January start?
If TPL is starting early March then it'll be a mid - late March start for Div 2.

[druryfire]

It probably makes sense, giving the national team players a break after Asian Cup matches.

Don't forget in 2011, Asian Cup starts in January, so i think it's good to try and keep the league to the same date rather than keeping people guessing all the time. TPL need t otry and keep a normally calendar and possibly even work the FA Cup into a midseason event

[SriRachaShark]

A new feature on my website is the weekly quiz. Loads of chances to test your knowledge of the local game and win prizes galore. Here are the first ten questions.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6640

[the_englishman]

A new feature on my website is the weekly quiz. Loads of chances to test your knowledge of the local game and win prizes galore. Here are the first ten questions.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6640

Aw mate, I haven't got a clue for most of them :-)

[lokomotive]

SRS, my congratz, you have renovated your website. looks pretty good now.

[SriRachaShark]

SRS, my congratz, you have renovated your website. looks pretty good now.

Thanks, Loko. There'll be a few more additions over the next week or so.

[SriRachaShark]

A new feature on my website is the weekly quiz. Loads of chances to test your knowledge of the local game and win prizes galore. Here are the first ten questions.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6640

Aw mate, I haven't got a clue for most of them :-)

Most, if not all, of the answers can be found somewhere on www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc

Happy hunting

[SriRachaShark]

A detailed archive of Chonburi's 2009 season can be found here :
http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/season_archive.pl

[TPF]

A detailed archive of Chonburi's 2009 season can be found here :
http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/season_archive.pl

I just looked at the stats, and it says the lowest attendance of the season was 1,900 against Thai Port (at Suphachalasai). I've seen pictures of the match, and it looks like there were way more then 1,900 fans present! Is that figure based on gate reciepts? If it is, then someone has had their fingers in the till  .

[SriRachaShark]

All the figures are official. This is why the attendance stats are incomplete - I didn't want to just "guess" in order to fill in the blanks.

I raised my eyebrows at a few of them but there's not really much else you can doother than accept what you are told.

Until all Thai league grounds are enclosed and have automated turnstiles we'll just have to believe Siam Sport or what is announced at the ground.


Oh yes, and there were at least 30 more at the Thai Port match. But we got in without paying

[TPF]

All the figures are official. This is why the attendance stats are incomplete - I didn't want to just "guess" in order to fill in the blanks.

I raised my eyebrows at a few of them but there's not really much else you can doother than accept what you are told.

Until all Thai league grounds are enclosed and have automated turnstiles we'll just have to believe Siam Sport or what is announced at the ground.


Oh yes, and there were at least 30 more at the Thai Port match. But we got in without paying

I think next season in your match reports you should give us a guess-timate of the crowd. I bet your figure will be much higher then the "official" one  .

I've just posted the 2009 top 4 aggregate gate receipts: http://thaiportfc.blogspot.com/2009/11/thai-ports-2009-gate-receipts-top.html (according to Football Siam magazine) I don't have the figures for the other teams unfortunately.

[Vinnie]

Sisaket promoting themselves as 'The Issan Club'. www.thaileaguefootball.com
I was really pleased for them when they went up but, having just read that article, my sympathies are quickly evaporating. Top 5 finish? 10,000 away fans? Nothing but a northeastern Phuket FC.

[SriRachaShark]

Surely that should say "regular home support"?

[jakartacasual]

given the large numbers of issan folk in bkk i think they do mean away support!

but unlikely?

[SriRachaShark]

I bet there are a lot of very nervous TPL coaches out there!!

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/sports/159441/referee-arrested-for-bomb-murder

Maybe we'll see less criticisms of officials next season

[Vinnie]

given the large numbers of issan folk in bkk i think they do mean away support!

but unlikely?

That's what I took it to mean. More than unlikely, it's physically and mathematically impossible at any stadium except for Thammasat.