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« Reply #350 on: September 04, 2009, 06:03:51 AM »

nelson, along with marlon alex james and bernard huggins inspired kedah to win back to back trebles in malaysia before the fa there decided to kick out the foreigners
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« Reply #351 on: September 07, 2009, 02:48:36 AM »

TPL currently reminds me of the Humber Premier League i played in a few years ago.

Seem's to have two legs in one, top 6 well clear of everyone else. 7th onwards would appear to be scrapping for their lifes.
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« Reply #352 on: September 07, 2009, 12:34:24 PM »

From www.thaileaguefootball.com

"We have been so tired after the FA cup 120 minute-match against Nakhon Ratchasima. We also lost Paisan, one of our main force, red-carded. I don’t understand why we have red or yellow cards so easily compares to the other team. Well, it doesn’t matter. We are looking ahead for the next game." Coach Jaded from P*ttaya U*d.

Of course it doesn't matter. You can play any suspended players that you might have, and get away with it!!!

Take a look at the current TPL league table and then picture it with P*ttaya three points less and SriRacha with three points more. Very different indeed!
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« Reply #353 on: September 07, 2009, 12:42:26 PM »

The complaint is bizarre even without considering the Siracha decision. It was completely the right decision (the sending off). No Pattaya players even bothered complaining when he got his marching orders. I can't believe Jadet is moaning about this.  Huh?
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« Reply #354 on: September 07, 2009, 01:27:19 PM »

The complaint is bizarre even wthout considering the Siracha decision. It was compleely the right decision (the sending off). No Pattaya players even bothered complaining when he got his marching orders. I can't believe Jadet is moaning about this.  Huh?

And Paisan was very lucky not to have been sent off against Korat on Wednesday night. I really rate the lad, and he is such a genuinely nice guy, but he certainly should have gone for kicking the goalkeeper whilst they were both on the ground.
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« Reply #355 on: September 07, 2009, 01:32:02 PM »

Still, why focus on your own players' performances when the referee's is a far easier and softer target. It's the Thai coaches' way!
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« Reply #356 on: September 07, 2009, 05:01:29 PM »

Muang Thong set TPL attendance record

BANGKOK – Muang Thong United set a Thailand Premier League attendance record with club media confirming that 13,000 fans turned up at the Thunderdome Sport Complex to watch the TPL leaders defeat Bangkok Glass 1-0 on Sunday.

The figure eclipses the previous record of 9000, set on August 2 when Rajnavy Rayong lost 2-1 at home to Muang Thong United, who opened up a three point lead at the top of the TPL standings following their victory over the Glass Rabbits which came courtesy of Teerasil Dangda’s ninth minute goal.

The high-flying promoted side lead AFC Cup quarter-finalists Chonburi, who lost ground on the table-toppers after only managing a 1-1 draw with Bangkok United.

Second-place Chonburi found themselves a goal down in the 35th minute when Noppol Poludom opened the scoring but the Shark salvaged a point through former Wales youth international Michael Byrne, who equalized five minutes later.

With seven matches of the season remaining Muang Thong United have 50 points and Chonburi have 47, four more than Bangkok Glass.

Inaugural AFC Champions League finalists BEC Tero Sasana defeated Pattaya United 3-1 to sit fourth with 40 points after Tawan Sripan masterminded his sixth straight win since been appointed head coach of the Fire Dragons.

http://www.the-afc.com/en/member-association-news/asean-news/25240-muang-thong-set-tpl-attendance-record

Nice to see. But one question, if the Stadium has a capacity of around 5.000, how 13.000 can be allowed to enter the stadium? Which actually was my same thought for the Rayong Match with 9 to 10.000.

And does anybody have an idea whor or what is Thai League News ? I never heard or see before.

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« Reply #357 on: September 08, 2009, 03:55:24 PM »

And, with the season nearly over, we get this little gem -

"However the areas still needing improvement are stadium seating facilities as many clubs have facilities that are not meeting safety standards. For example it was found that the spectator seating facilities used by Pattaya United and the Port Authority stadium were unsafe." Ong-Art Gosingka, the secretary of the Thai Football Association

There are no flies on these boys are there.  :Smiley

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« Reply #358 on: September 08, 2009, 04:12:42 PM »

And, with the season nearly over, we get this little gem -

"However the areas still needing improvement are stadium seating facilities as many clubs have facilities that are not meeting safety standards. For example it was found that the spectator seating facilities used by Pattaya United and the Port Authority stadium were unsafe." Ong-Art Gosingka, the secretary of the Thai Football Association

There are no flies on these boys are there.  :Smiley

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 Grin Grin Grin Why don't we think of these things?
And yet they let Muang Thong build a huge, new, permanant stand which is essentially just 'bleachers' - a very basic metal frame with no seats attached. Like a much bigger version of what Thai Port have, which has now been deemed unsafe!
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« Reply #359 on: September 09, 2009, 02:12:28 AM »

I cna only assume with the recent article about the 13,000 crowd at the Muang match, that hte AFC are actually sitting up and watching the TPL closely.

Come 2011 could we see our teams back in the Champions League???

Just think, it could just be Pattaya's time then?
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« Reply #360 on: September 09, 2009, 04:47:39 AM »

I wouldn't worry about Pattaya too much. Nor you may not be able to make any predection. Look at BEC. A few years ago they seem to be the club for the next years, same as you mentioned already. Than Chonburi was coming up. Now, sorry SRS, MTUD looks like they the future belongs to them. But in case of MTUD, and all the discussions are ongoing about them, we should not forget that MTUD is owned by the Siam Sports Syndicate!! And so far Chonburi for me, therefore is and should be the club, gained the most respect of us all. Cause they not owned by a company. And they made their way already. Sure I have no idea how much influence Khun Kunpluem does have as a chairman in the background, but at least, overlooking everything, I have a kind of a strange feeling while looking at MTUD compared to Chonburi.

Regarding the AFC and 2011. I would be glad we could have 3 Clubs next year in the AFC comps. And frankly speaking, even the V-League, might pay the most wages at the moment in SEA. I already i see the TPL overhauling the S-League (less att) and the V-League (to chaotic) already. Close to the K-League and the Chinese Super League. If the FAT is wise enough, making the right steps, and making a step before the other, I see bright future for the TPL. Btw, if you look close to the J-League, their att figures are not that impressive. Football is still not the number one sport there, same like in China and Korea. And this is different than in Thailand. And that's the chance for Thailand.   
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« Reply #361 on: September 09, 2009, 05:59:42 AM »

And, with the season nearly over, we get this little gem -

"However the areas still needing improvement are stadium seating facilities as many clubs have facilities that are not meeting safety standards. For example it was found that the spectator seating facilities used by Pattaya United and the Port Authority stadium were unsafe." Ong-Art Gosingka, the secretary of the Thai Football Association

There are no flies on these boys are there.  :Smiley

Full story www.thaileaguefootball.com


Thai Port President says "PAT Stadium is safe"

Pichet Mankong, Thai Port President has stated that PAT Stadium is safe for fans, despite concerns from the Thai FA over the two metal constructions that are used as seating/standing areas.

He went on to say that he has documented evidence that the stands are checked regularly by the contractors, and through ticketing policies the Club are ensuring that the stands do not go over capacity, as the fans safety is paramount.

The club are hoping to build 2 new stands after the season has finished.

Full Story: http://thaiportfc.blogspot.com/2009/09/thai-port-president-says-pat-stadium-is.html
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« Reply #362 on: September 09, 2009, 04:12:24 PM »

Still, why focus on your own players' performances when the referee's is a far easier and softer target. It's the Thai coaches' way!

ever heard of a guy named rafa beneitiz? spanish geezer, looks like a waiter...
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« Reply #363 on: September 15, 2009, 11:37:12 PM »

From www.thaileaguefootball.com

The linesman who wrongly called offside against Muang Thong United player, Leesaw has been given a three month ban.

If this report is accurate then it's absolutely friggin' ridiculous. FAT are completely and utterly clueless. Inept doesn't even cover it. Yes, he made a mistake, but a three month ban?!!

I know I keep harping back to Pattaya getting away with fielding a suspended player and getting away with it but this just highlights what a rotten governing body we've got. They've got no idea.


It would serve them right if ALL the officials went out on strike in protest at this decision. Who could blame them?
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« Reply #364 on: September 16, 2009, 12:32:30 AM »

From www.thaileaguefootball.com

The linesman who wrongly called offside against Muang Thong United player, Leesaw has been given a three month ban.

If this report is accurate then it's absolutely friggin' ridiculous. FAT are completely and utterly clueless. Inept doesn't even cover it. Yes, he made a mistake, but a three month ban?!!

I know I keep harping back to Pattaya getting away with fielding a suspended player and getting away with it but this just highlights what a rotten governing body we've got. They've got no idea.


It would serve them right if ALL the officials went out on strike in protest at this decision. Who could blame them?
It was a scandalous decision by the linesman....but a 3 month ban is ridiculous. The season finshes in about a month anyway, so the final 2 months of the ban would occur during the off season.

Rather then banning him, they should be getting his eyes tested ASAP!
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« Reply #365 on: September 16, 2009, 12:33:37 AM »

I totally agree to SRS. When I was reading this, I thought it was a joke. You even can see such mistakes from Refs in the Bundesliga. Sure the people talking about, but the ref will not have to face a 3 month ban. It is an offisde decission. And sometimes it is hard for refs to judge whether its offside or not. They still humans.
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« Reply #366 on: September 16, 2009, 01:17:09 AM »

thanks to Matt Riley full story here - http://www.thaileaguefootball.com/index.php?lay=show&ac=article&Id=82624&Ntype=1
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« Reply #367 on: September 16, 2009, 09:09:34 AM »

From www.thaileaguefootball.com

"The teams most affected by the bad decision making of the aforementioned referees are outraged, stating the 3 month ban is too lenient when compared with the financial losses their teams have had to bear."

Aw, diddums. This gets effin' worse! Like Loko says there are decisions every week in every league in the world like this. Banning referees and linesman isn't the answer.

I think that Marco said in another thread (re Pattaya fielding a suspended player) that a dangerous precedent has been set. This is true again here. A club doesn't like a decision so it kicks up a fuss and the ref/linesman gets banned.

And shame on Muang Thong United for the video on their site. That's the kind of thing that bans and fines should be handed out for.


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« Reply #368 on: September 16, 2009, 11:13:27 AM »

According to the article it is the Association of Thai Referees that handed out the bans. Who'd be a referee in Thailand? I bet they get paid next to nothing and are constantly made the scapegoats for players' and coaches' deficiencies. No referee - no game.

Video on Muang Thong site is a disgrace. But you've got to feel sorry for Muang Thong and their fans: promotion in 2007; promotion in 2008; champions or second place in 2009; Champions League or AFC Cup in 2010; redeveloped stadium; attendances approaching 15,000...It must be difficult for them. If it all gets too much for them, then their 10,000 glory fans could always come and watch some Division 2 football.
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« Reply #369 on: September 16, 2009, 11:51:41 AM »

there are many coaches comments... the refs were bad, but we can't complain because we are a small team.
I thought these were sarcastic, sour grapes comments, but maybe there is more to it because it looks like there is the opposite scenario.... we can complain because we are a big team.
The refs must enter each match with the question, "who has the power in this match and how can I serve them best?"
having said all of this I don't think we can really complain about MTU too much this season.   They are a bit too much of a Hollywood production for my liking, but they really are doing a lot to raise professionalism and they worked their way to the TPL to do it.
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« Reply #370 on: September 16, 2009, 11:56:25 AM »

there are many coaches comments... the refs were bad, but we can't complain because we are a small team.
I thought these were sarcastic, sour grapes comments, but maybe there is more to it because it looks like there is the opposite scenario.... we can complain because we are a big team.

That's certainly an often raised issue in many leagues around the world - preferential treatment for the big boys.
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« Reply #371 on: September 16, 2009, 03:12:09 PM »

Every time a decision goes against us on Sunday I shall be calling for a three month ban for the official concerned. I might even have a banner made up Wink We're a BIG club so our word must mean something.

I do respect MTUFC for what they've achieved so far but they are certainly throwing their weight around now they are top of the pile. They are behaving like spoilt brats.

You can forgive their glory hunting fans (because they've never known a time when they weren't top of the TPL) but the people behind the scenes should remember their roots. "Sh*t ground. No fans" (and I mean NO fans) until this season.
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« Reply #372 on: September 16, 2009, 03:54:54 PM »

They are a bit too much of a Hollywood production for my liking

not only for you. your words cover exactly my feelings.
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« Reply #373 on: September 17, 2009, 09:04:58 AM »

Steve Darby speaksto www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc here:

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_news.pl?id=230648

Read his comment on THAT offside decision.
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« Reply #374 on: September 17, 2009, 06:49:20 PM »

Decisions even themselves out over the season, so Muang should get over this.

SRS - Any chance of a big bottle of chang for the 1st supporter to see you with your banner??

Could turn this into a Where's Wally feature??? Spot the Shark?
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« Reply #375 on: September 17, 2009, 10:10:27 PM »

Will it be a banner? Will it be a t-shirt? Wink
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« Reply #376 on: September 18, 2009, 04:51:55 AM »

Will it be a banner? Will it be a t-shirt? Wink

I love your commitment to the whole thai football scene shark.  One day a book will be written about you.

I like your enthusiasm to have such a hatred to the whole Pattaya United story, but i will never forget goalpostgate last season.

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« Reply #377 on: September 18, 2009, 10:21:09 AM »

Linesmangate is this season's Goalpostgate.
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« Reply #378 on: September 18, 2009, 02:50:23 PM »

Bruce Campbell has been coaching in Thailand since 1990. During that time he has worked with a large number of the current Chonburi squad.

Read an exclusive interview with Bruce, in which he tells tales and offers his thoughts on the growth of Thai football, here :

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_news.pl?id=231416

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« Reply #379 on: September 19, 2009, 06:46:36 PM »

TPL scores & goalscorers from yesterday and todays games:

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« Reply #380 on: September 19, 2009, 06:48:48 PM »

Chula 1 MTUFC 1

A well deserved point for Chula, courtesy of a goal nine minutes from time, means that Chonburi are now only 2 points behind with a game in hand. MT can have no complaints today as Chula matched them in every department.

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Flagged offside when it clearly wasn't = 2
Failed to flag offiside when it clearly was = 1


I expect the culprits to receive the mandatory 3 month bans on Monday. Smiley
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« Reply #381 on: September 19, 2009, 07:06:49 PM »

Chula 1 MTUFC 1

A well deserved point for Chula, courtesy of a goal nine minutes from time, means that Chonburi are now only 2 points behind with a game in hand. MT can have no complaints today as Chula matched them in every department.

LINESMEN WATCH -

Flagged offside when it clearly wasn't = 2
Failed to flag offiside when it clearly was = 1


I expect the culprits to receive the mandatory 3 month bans on Monday. Smiley
I was hoping to watch this game on the internet, but I couldn't get it to work  Embarrassed. Fair play to Chula! They have drawn at home to both Chonburi and Muang Thong...Shame They can't raise their game against lesser opposition.
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« Reply #382 on: September 20, 2009, 01:31:58 AM »

Chula 1 MTUFC 1

A well deserved point for Chula, courtesy of a goal nine minutes from time, means that Chonburi are now only 2 points behind with a game in hand. MT can have no complaints today as Chula matched them in every department.

LINESMEN WATCH -

Flagged offside when it clearly wasn't = 2
Failed to flag offiside when it clearly was = 1


I expect the culprits to receive the mandatory 3 month bans on Monday. Smiley
I was hoping to watch this game on the internet, but I couldn't get it to work  Embarrassed. Fair play to Chula! They have drawn at home to both Chonburi and Muang Thong...Shame They can't raise their game against lesser opposition.


Had the same problem. Had not been able to watch NBT 19 today.
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« Reply #383 on: September 20, 2009, 12:04:53 PM »

Chula 1 MTUFC 1

A well deserved point for Chula, courtesy of a goal nine minutes from time, means that Chonburi are now only 2 points behind with a game in hand. MT can have no complaints today as Chula matched them in every department.

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Flagged offside when it clearly wasn't = 2
Failed to flag offiside when it clearly was = 1


I expect the culprits to receive the mandatory 3 month bans on Monday. Smiley
I was hoping to watch this game on the internet, but I couldn't get it to work  Embarrassed. Fair play to Chula! They have drawn at home to both Chonburi and Muang Thong...Shame They can't raise their game against lesser opposition.


Had the same problem. Had not been able to watch NBT 19 today.

I was able to watch the whole game from the comfort of my armchair whilst nursing a cold bottle of Chang Smiley And, as I'm the only one on here (so far) who managed to see the match, you'll have to take my word for everything. Wink
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« Reply #384 on: September 21, 2009, 12:11:45 PM »

Every week and the trouble seems to get more serious. Fences being ripped up during the game and dozens and dozens of missiles raining down on the officials as they walked off at Rayong yesterday. Disgraceful scenes. At some point the police have got to lose their disarming smiles and 'Mai Pen Rai' attitude and start getting the handcuffs out. If there had been a more volatile group of away fans there then things could have been really nasty.
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« Reply #385 on: September 21, 2009, 12:18:40 PM »

Every week and the trouble seems to get more serious. Fences being ripped up during the game and dozens and dozens of missiles raining down on the officials as they walked off at Rayong yesterday. Disgraceful scenes. At some point the police have got to lose their disarming smiles and 'Mai Pen Rai' attitude and start getting the handcuffs out. If there had been a more volatile group of away fans there then things could have been really nasty.

It needs sorting before we go there on the penultimate weekend of the season. It could be a big game for both clubs and we'll take a few thousand.

The only time that I've witnessed what could be described as premeditated trouble at a Thai league match was in Sattahip when the Navy FC was based there. Even though it was a Wednesday 4:00pm kick off (those were the days Smiley) we had taken a large following and some of the locals decided it would be fun to throw water bottles into the away section. Serious trouble was only avoided by the restraint shown by the Chonburi fans.

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« Reply #386 on: September 21, 2009, 12:48:55 PM »

This wasn't premeditated - it was (as usual) a reaction to some supposed greviance against the match officials. I'm not quite sure what it was all about though because it started some minutes after the goal. As Navy-Rayong now attract too many fans to fit into the existing stands, they have erected fences on the athletics track and allow people to stand behind these railings. It was these that were getting pulled down and thrown around, match was held up for about ten minutes.
There isn't enough room for the home fans let alone a few thousand from Chonburi - I hope someone is seriously thinking about this match.
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« Reply #387 on: September 21, 2009, 01:00:00 PM »

Sorry, I wasn't implying that this was premeditated trouble. I was just pointing out that the only time I've seen premeditated trouble was at a match against The Navy.

Hopefully, something will be done before our visit. It could turn pretty nasty if the issues aren't addressed.

On a related (sort of) topic. Muang Thong United v Chonburi at Supachalasai on 4th October?
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« Reply #388 on: September 21, 2009, 01:51:41 PM »

i went to rayong pattaya and there was trouble water bottle throwing your right they need to do something it will get out of controle
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On a related (sort of) topic. Muang Thong United v Chonburi at Supachalasai on 4th October?

Great idea but I don't think the FAT are ready for 'thinking outside the box' yet! That would be great though. There would be 20,000+ there.
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« Reply #390 on: September 21, 2009, 03:00:43 PM »


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Great idea but I don't think the FAT are ready for 'thinking outside the box' yet! That would be great though. There would be 20,000+ there.

Absolutely. And I guess it woud be a great promotion for the TPL. But I don't think it is up to the FAT. It should be up to Muang Thong! Cause they are the host.
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« Reply #391 on: September 21, 2009, 03:13:22 PM »

Remember where you read it first Wink
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« Reply #392 on: September 21, 2009, 11:55:23 PM »

here are some actual news. this has happend in Europe this weekend. And fits our discussion about the refs in TPL.

Swiss Referee Massimo Busacca Gets Three-Match Ban

http://goal.com/en/news/1863/world-cup-2010/2009/09/21/1514737/swiss-referee-massimo-busacca-gets-three-match-ban
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« Reply #393 on: September 22, 2009, 01:04:33 PM »

Navy Rayong coach: "To be honest I felt this wasn't about how bad my team played but it was about the referee work which was done so unprofessionally". www.thaileaguefootball.com

I watched the whole game and didn't think the ref had a particularly bad match. Any mention from the Navy Rayong coach about the goalmouth scramble in the first half when his players had 3 or 4 simple chances to score in a 10 second period?
This is just the typical 'team in relegation danger, coach's job on the line, so blame the ref for everything' situation. Good to see the FAT acting swiftly to punish Navy Rayong for the crowd trouble but what's 30,000 Baht when they would have taken over 500,000 at the match (ticket and merchandise combined).

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« Reply #394 on: September 22, 2009, 02:00:49 PM »

Was any action taken against Robert Procuruer for his outburst on Saturday? He was sent from the dugout after confronting the ref and a couple of Chula players during the 1-1 draw.
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« Reply #395 on: September 22, 2009, 10:10:02 PM »

Sorry, I wasn't implying that this was premeditated trouble. I was just pointing out that the only time I've seen premeditated trouble was at a match against The Navy.

Hopefully, something will be done before our visit. It could turn pretty nasty if the issues aren't addressed.

On a related (sort of) topic. Muang Thong United v Chonburi at Supachalasai on 4th October?

news just in from www.thaileaguefootball.com -  The President of the Thai Premier League Dr. Wichit has asked Muang Thong United use Supachalasai stadium for their big home match against Chonburi.

Now lets make some noise about the FA cup final on a Wednesday, change it to Saturday or Sunday please!!
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« Reply #396 on: September 22, 2009, 10:29:28 PM »

Sorry, I wasn't implying that this was premeditated trouble. I was just pointing out that the only time I've seen premeditated trouble was at a match against The Navy.

Hopefully, something will be done before our visit. It could turn pretty nasty if the issues aren't addressed.

On a related (sort of) topic. Muang Thong United v Chonburi at Supachalasai on 4th October?

news just in from www.thaileaguefootball.com -  The President of the Thai Premier League Dr. Wichit has asked Muang Thong United use Supachalasai stadium for their big home match against Chonburi.

Now lets make some noise about the FA cup final on a Wednesday, change it to Saturday or Sunday please!!

Yes, make it a highlight of the Season. Maybe on a Saturday after TPL ended. Would be a good close up of the season, and can be a promotion kick for thaifootball with a big bang.
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« Reply #397 on: September 22, 2009, 11:36:56 PM »

Sorry, I wasn't implying that this was premeditated trouble. I was just pointing out that the only time I've seen premeditated trouble was at a match against The Navy.

Hopefully, something will be done before our visit. It could turn pretty nasty if the issues aren't addressed.

On a related (sort of) topic. Muang Thong United v Chonburi at Supachalasai on 4th October?

news just in from www.thaileaguefootball.com -  The President of the Thai Premier League Dr. Wichit has asked Muang Thong United use Supachalasai stadium for their big home match against Chonburi.

Now lets make some noise about the FA cup final on a Wednesday, change it to Saturday or Sunday please!!

My crystal ball seems to be working Wink

So, while I'm on a roll, the FA Cup final WILL be played during the weekend after the TPL season finishes. Remember where you read it first Wink
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« Reply #398 on: September 23, 2009, 10:12:19 AM »

Sorry, I wasn't implying that this was premeditated trouble. I was just pointing out that the only time I've seen premeditated trouble was at a match against The Navy.

Hopefully, something will be done before our visit. It could turn pretty nasty if the issues aren't addressed.

On a related (sort of) topic. Muang Thong United v Chonburi at Supachalasai on 4th October?

news just in from www.thaileaguefootball.com -  The President of the Thai Premier League Dr. Wichit has asked Muang Thong United use Supachalasai stadium for their big home match against Chonburi.

Now lets make some noise about the FA cup final on a Wednesday, change it to Saturday or Sunday please!!

My crystal ball seems to be working Wink

So, while I'm on a roll, the FA Cup final WILL be played during the weekend after the TPL season finishes. Remember where you read it first Wink

Good work SRS! Now all we need is a prediction about having two zones at Div 1 level, if you please! Wink
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« Reply #399 on: September 23, 2009, 10:30:30 AM »

I can confidently predict that the second part of my interview with Bruce Campbell can be read here :

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_news.pl?id=235525
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