TPL Playoffs

[BKK73]

The TPL playoffs start this weekend, so rather than clog up the already clogged up TPL thread, I think it's a good idea to start a thread for the TPL playoffs.

The first two games are Air Force v Sisaket and Bangkok United v Army Utd.

I'm planning to watch Air Force v Sisaket so I'll add some comments later.

[PEA]

The TPL playoffs start this weekend, so rather than clog up the already clogged up TPL thread, I think it's a good idea to start a thread for the TPL playoffs.

The first two games are Air Force v Sisaket and Bangkok United v Army Utd.

I'm planning to watch Air Force v Sisaket so I'll add some comments later.

come on sisaget

[wolfman]

Air Force 0-0 Si Saket
Bangkok Utd 0-2 Army Utd

[BKK73]

Air Force 0-0 Si Saket

It was an uneventful game with little action. It was made all the more painful to watch because of the newly introduced no alcohol policy inside the Dhupatemi Stadium.  The game reminded me of one of those tactful opening group games in the World Cup where neither team wants to lose.
I suppose Sisaket will be the happier of the two sides as I'm sure they'll fancy their chances of winning both of their home games.
I'd say there was about 5,000 in attendance tonight. I'd reckon Sisaket brought just under 1,000 fans.

[BKK73]

Bangkok Utd 0-2 Army Utd

TLO has the attendance as 751.
Bangkok United will almost likely have to win their remaining 3 games to have any chance of winning the group.

[druryfire]

Bangkok Utd 0-2 Army Utd

TLO has the attendance as 751.
Bangkok United will almost likely have to win their remaining 3 games to have any chance of winning the group.

751! an improvement i guess, but 751, still poor.

[BKK73]

Army Utd 2-0 Songkla

The Army scored twice in the second half to earn a deserved victory. Two draws in their remaining 2 games would be enough for AUFC to regain their TPL ststus next season. Songkla were disappointing and the Army keeper was never tested during the 90 minutes. On this performance, Songkla don't look ready for the step-up to the top flight.

[druryfire]

Songkla don't look ready for the step-up to the top flight.

I hope FAT have the same thoughts and consider never making so many promotion spots available ever again.

In fact, with Div 1 having such a high turnover of clubs next year, i do hope only 2 clubs go up so we don't have a 3rd unprepared team sneak in.

What was the attendance today?

[the_englishman]

Songkla don't look ready for the step-up to the top flight.

I hope FAT have the same thoughts and consider never making so many promotion spots available ever again.

In fact, with Div 1 having such a high turnover of clubs next year, i do hope only 2 clubs go up so we don't have a 3rd unprepared team sneak in.

What was the attendance today?

For once Drury, we agree! It must be Christmas!

[BKK73]

Songkla don't look ready for the step-up to the top flight.

I hope FAT have the same thoughts and consider never making so many promotion spots available ever again.

In fact, with Div 1 having such a high turnover of clubs next year, i do hope only 2 clubs go up so we don't have a 3rd unprepared team sneak in.

What was the attendance today?

I would estimate about 1200. Half of the crowd were soldiers on freebies. I'm not sure if they count towards the official attendance.

It will be interesting to see if it will be 3 or 4 up/down between the TPL and Div 1 next season. I imagine they'll start with 3 but I expect it to change depending on how things pan out. Somebody mentioned elsewhere on this forum that they expect the TPL to increase to 20 teams for 2012. That wouldn't surprise me either.

[BangkokGlassBunny]

I would estimate about 1200. Half of the crowd were soldiers on freebies. I'm not sure if they count towards the official attendance.

I watched it on TV, it didn't show many shots of the crowd so I couldn't really tell but the only fans you could hear through out the game were the Songkhla fans, credit to them.

Any idea what percentage were Songkhla fans?

[BKK73]

I would estimate about 1200. Half of the crowd were soldiers on freebies. I'm not sure if they count towards the official attendance.

I watched it on TV, it didn't show many shots of the crowd so I couldn't really tell but the only fans you could hear through out the game were the Songkhla fans, credit to them.

Any idea what percentage were Songkhla fans?

Songkla had about 150 fans at the game. I'm surprised you couldn't hear the squaddies on TV. I thought they were quite loud in backing their team.

[Tobi]

nice picture:

[SriRachaShark]

It reminds me of a trip to Sattahip in 2007 to watch Chonburi play the Navy. The whole stand on the other side of the ground was populated with sailors. They were all sitting in colour coded sections and moving in unison. A strange sight.

[wolfman]

Si Saket 2-0 Nakon Patom

Group A: Si Saket 4pts (2 matches), Air Force 1 (1), Nakon Pathom 1(1)
Group B: Army 6 (2) Bangkok 0 (1), Songkla 0 (1)

[BangkokGlassBunny]

Songkhla 0 - 2 Bangkok United

After 2 matches : Army 6pts, BU 3pts, Songkhla 0pts

Songkhla need a miracle now.

[66svein]

Songkhla 0 - 2 Bangkok United

After 2 matches : Army 6pts, BU 3pts, Songkhla 0pts

Songkhla need a miracle now.

If BU don`t beat Army in the next game on monday, it`s all over. Will the last 2 games still be played if Army already has won the group?

[BKK73]

Nakhon Prathom 3-0 Air Force

It's now a two horse race between Si Saket and Nakhon Prathom. The winner of the game on Christmas Day between the two sides will probably be gift wrapped a place in the TPL next season.

[the_englishman]

It's all over for BKU as they draw 0-0 with Army.

[66svein]

It's all over for BKU as they draw 0-0 with Army.

Yes, the season has finally ended. Now we have to get ready for the start of next season in D1.

In 17 games (league, cup & play-off) vs the bottom 7 TPL-teams we did not win any games this season.

[BKK73]

It's all over for BKU as they draw 0-0 with Army.

Yes, the season has finally ended. Now we have to get ready for the start of next season in D1.

In 17 games (league, cup & play-off) vs the bottom 7 TPL-teams we did not win any games this season.

As goalless draws go this wasn't a bad game. Army knew a point would be enough and weren't too adventurous in their play. Bkk Utd had the better chances but they never looked convincing in front of goal. The closest they got to scoring was with an inswinging free-kick that hit the bar with 10 minutes remaining.

[BKK73]

Air Force Utd 1-2 Nakhon Pathom

It was an entertaining game with plenty of chances at both ends. Nakhon Pathom are an entertaining team to watch and I was impressed with their fast counter attacking.  

Next week's clash between NP and Sisaket will be a winner takes all match. A draw would leave Sisaket as strong favorites as surely they will beat Air Force in their last game.

Nakon Pathom 6pts (played 3) Si Saket 4pts (2), Air Force 1pt (3),

[wolfman]

Songkla 1-1 Army Utd

Songkla finally get a goal, and a point, but a meaningless game with Army already safe.

Army finish with 8 points, Bangkok Utd have 4 and Songkla 1.

Bangkok v Songkla in the final fixture next week.

[BKK73]

Nakhon Pratom 0-0 Si Saket

Latest Standings:
Nakhon Pathom 7pts (4)  Si Saket 5pts (3), Air Force 1pt (3),

A win next week over Air Force for the Kouprey will guarantee them a place in the TPL next season. Nakhon Pathom will be praying for the airmen to get some kind of result. That looks very doubtful as Air Force are currently in a terrible run of form and haven't won any of their last 9 competitive games.

Reports suggest that Si Saket were the better team. Rather disappointingly the home fans weren't too pleased with the end result and there was some crowd trouble on the pitch at the final whistle.

[BKK73]

It appears things got a bit out of hand after the Nakhon Pathom v Sisaket game yesterday.
Again the match officials seem to be at the centre of it all. You can see lots of pushing and shoving in the clip and at one point you can see the linesman being slapped.


http://www.thailandsusu.com/webboard/index.php?topic=146232.0

[Vinnie]

It appears things got a bit out of hand after the Nakhon Pathom v Sisaket game yesterday.
Again the match officials seem to be at the centre of it all. You can see lots of pushing and shoving in the clip and at one point you can see the linesman being slapped.


http://www.thailandsusu.com/webboard/index.php?topic=146232.0

They finished fifth in Division 1. They don't deserve to be in the TPL*. They're fortunate just to have been given this second opportunity at promotion.

* I realise the same can be said of Sisaket.

[BKK73]

Just watched another clip of the violence. It's shameful!! At 40 secs in the fans start kicking the shit out of the ref. Poor guy. He probably earned 500 baht for refereeing this game.

The culprits are on camera. Most probably they'll get away with it again.  

http://www.thaileagueonline.com/webboard/index.php/topic,3513.msg16696/topicseen.html#msg16696

(Watch the top clip)

[SriRachaShark]

Just watched another clip of the violence. It's shameful!! At 40 secs in the fans start kicking the shit out of the ref. Poor guy. He probably earned 500 baht for refereeing this game.

The culprits are on camera. Most probably they'll get away with it again. 

http://www.thaileagueonline.com/webboard/index.php/topic,3513.msg16696/topicseen.html#msg16696

(Watch the top clip)

Terrible scenes.

I know that this is about as likely as me ever liking a Phil Collins record but that ref should go after his attackers through the police and the courts. He should also sue the home club and the police for failing in their duty to protect him. If it was me, that is what I'd do. There's enough evidence in those two clips to get convictions.

It is absolutely disgraceful that individuals keep getting away with assaults like this and the only thing that happens is the FAT/TPL dish out meaningless fines and bans to the clubs.

[SriRachaShark]

And the whole thing has taken a very sinister turn with this photo from www.thaileagueonline.com

[BKK73]

The police have announced that they'll arrest those involved in the fracas. Some of them are believed to be on the staff of Nakhon Pratom.
Lets see what happens.

[Vinnie]

I know it's irrelevent but what was the incident that led to all this?

[BKK73]

I know it's irrelevent but what was the incident that led to all this?

The ref red carded 2 NP players during the game.

[Vinnie]

I know it's irrelevent but what was the incident that led to all this?

The ref red carded 2 NP players during the game.

Given that many strongly believe that these play-offs were created purely as a way of trying to keep Bangkok United and Sisaket in the TPL then one can understand why NP fans would be suspicious and angry of an eccentric refreeeing performance but things have got totally out of hand as they so often, depressingly do.

[ThaiPortFC]

1.   He get 1500 bath not 500
2.   That don’t give him right to be corrupt
3.   Not only FAT responsible, reff’s too and they have to work and them self too.
 But we are in Thailand…

[lokomotive]

I know it's irrelevent but what was the incident that led to all this?

The ref red carded 2 NP players during the game.

But he carded two players from Sisaket with red either?!

[Vinnie]

1.   He get 1500 bath not 500
2.   That don’t give him right to be corrupt
3.   Not only FAT responsible, reff’s too and they have to work and them self too.
 But we are in Thailand…

Criticise coaches and players too, and I'll start listening to you. The way some of them behave is far worse than anything refs do.

[66svein]

From The Nation:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2010/12/27/sports/Violence-leaves-football-referee-injured-30145248.html

[the_englishman]

I wish the injured ref a speedy recovery. The only silver lining is that his colleagues sound like theya re finally going to stand up for themselves (a strike) and Vicihit has guaranteed action and for once sounds serious.

[BangkokGlassBunny]

I know it's irrelevent but what was the incident that led to all this?

The ref red carded 2 NP players during the game.

But he carded two players from Sisaket with red either?!

He was interviewed on TV this morning.

Also because he only added 2 mins stoppages when the board said 4 mins.'

It was also very sad that he had to run to the Sisaket fans for protection as the police just wondered around aimlessly doing nothing.

[SriRachaShark]

Just watched another clip of the violence. It's shameful!! At 40 secs in the fans start kicking the shit out of the ref. Poor guy. He probably earned 500 baht for refereeing this game.

The culprits are on camera. Most probably they'll get away with it again. 

http://www.thaileagueonline.com/webboard/index.php/topic,3513.msg16696/topicseen.html#msg16696

(Watch the top clip)

Terrible scenes.

I know that this is about as likely as me ever liking a Phil Collins record but that ref should go after his attackers through the police and the courts. He should also sue the home club and the police for failing in their duty to protect him. If it was me, that is what I'd do. There's enough evidence in those two clips to get convictions.

It is absolutely disgraceful that individuals keep getting away with assaults like this and the only thing that happens is the FAT/TPL dish out meaningless fines and bans to the clubs.

"He barely received Bt2,000 for officiating the game. It's such a paltry amount to risk one's life. He has already filed a criminal complaint for physical assault and will leave the matter to judiciary," said Chuchai.

Dr Vichit Yamboonrueng, the TPL president, confirmed there would be punishment to anyone found guilty in the incident.

"As the league organisers, I can guarantee that there would be sanctions against the guilty party in the meeting tomorrow. I can't say much at this stage as we need to collect more evidence," said Vichit.

Good!. Now does anyone know where I can get hold of "No Jacket Required"?

[Vinnie]

Just watched another clip of the violence. It's shameful!! At 40 secs in the fans start kicking the shit out of the ref. Poor guy. He probably earned 500 baht for refereeing this game.

The culprits are on camera. Most probably they'll get away with it again.  

http://www.thaileagueonline.com/webboard/index.php/topic,3513.msg16696/topicseen.html#msg16696

(Watch the top clip)

Terrible scenes.

I know that this is about as likely as me ever liking a Phil Collins record but that ref should go after his attackers through the police and the courts. He should also sue the home club and the police for failing in their duty to protect him. If it was me, that is what I'd do. There's enough evidence in those two clips to get convictions.

It is absolutely disgraceful that individuals keep getting away with assaults like this and the only thing that happens is the FAT/TPL dish out meaningless fines and bans to the clubs.

"He barely received Bt2,000 for officiating the game. It's such a paltry amount to risk one's life. He has already filed a criminal complaint for physical assault and will leave the matter to judiciary," said Chuchai.

Dr Vichit Yamboonrueng, the TPL president, confirmed there would be punishment to anyone found guilty in the incident.

"As the league organisers, I can guarantee that there would be sanctions against the guilty party in the meeting tomorrow. I can't say much at this stage as we need to collect more evidence," said Vichit.

Good!. Now does anyone know where I can get hold of "No Jacket Required"?

"So take a look at me now..."  

Seriously, though, I think this is the single most depressing incident I can think of since I started following Thai football. I hope the ref finds justice through the courts and some lifetime bans are handed out to guilty parties (no chance of that, I know).
It would also be nice if, you know, the police arrested people who wave guns around at football matches. Just a thought.

Right. That's me done for 2010. I'm off to the countryside for a week. Let's hope 2011 is a better year for Thai football than 2010 was.

[binnsy]

It appears things got a bit out of hand after the Nakhon Pathom v Sisaket game yesterday.
Again the match officials seem to be at the centre of it all. You can see lots of pushing and shoving in the clip and at one point you can see the linesman being slapped.


http://www.thailandsusu.com/webboard/index.php?topic=146232.0

"Sine Die" for all those club officials found entering the field of play to confront the match officals.
Heavy Fines for the team who should have provided the Match Officals safety.
Throw the offending team out of the Playoffs.
Ban the Fans who entered the field of play from every ground in Thailand.

[lokomotive]

First Part of the punishment handed out today. 150.000 Baht fine.

2nd part to follow tomorrow and it looks like there are only 3 options.

1) 10 home matches ban
2) NP not allowed to participate 2011 Div season
3) relegated to RL

...and before some might ask, no the league than will remain with 17 teams.

[druryfire]

First Part of the punishment handed out today. 150.000 Baht fine.

2nd part to follow tomorrow and it looks like there are only 3 options.

1) 10 home matches ban
2) NP not allowed to participate 2011 Div season
3) relegated to RL

...and before some might ask, no the league than will remain with 17 teams.

Relegated to RL!!

Thats a big punishment, on the verge of promotion to suddenly get relegated, i call for another playoff gmae to be added to the calendar to create an 18 team league!!

[BangkokGlassBunny]

First Part of the punishment handed out today. 150.000 Baht fine.

2nd part to follow tomorrow and it looks like there are only 3 options.

1) 10 home matches ban
2) NP not allowed to participate 2011 Div season
3) relegated to RL

...and before some might ask, no the league than will remain with 17 teams.

Well, at least they seem to this very seriously. Personally, I think after all the trouble they have gone through to make the leagues 18 teams, they wont go through with options 2 or 3.

I hope I'm wrong, we will wait and see the verdict.

[BKK73]

Have any of the hooligans been arrested or charged?

[jezza]

Pretty unbelievable stuff. When I saw the incident on tv I thought for a moment it must have been from some South American league.

There needs to be some  heavy punishments handed out but how best to do it?

The tv coverage is quite clear so the people directly involved should be identifiable with the full co-operation of the club. Lengthy or even life time attendance bans from attending games for those identifiable at the very least. If the club doesn't co-operate fully then throw the book at them, ban them from playing for a season or two or make them start their next season in the lower division minus 10 wins. Unless the team has a history of such supporter behaviour you probably don't want to punish all the supporters for the actions of a few so this needs to be considered when deciding

As for the referee, the club owner or chairman if it hasn't happened already, should be making a very public apology  disowning the offending supporters as well as paying all medical bills plus sizable compensation to the referee as you can't always leave it to the courts to do the right thing. The club should also be working with the police and the league unconditionally to identify the culprits. The league needs to make crystal clear that supporters and staff can not get away unpunished, otherwise you end up with supporter violence becoming the norm as happened in England in the eighties.

[BangkokGlassBunny]

Pretty unbelievable stuff. When I saw the incident on tv I thought for a moment it must have been from some South American league.

There needs to be some  heavy punishments handed out but how best to do it?

The tv coverage is quite clear so the people directly involved should be identifiable with the full co-operation of the club. Lengthy or even life time attendance bans from attending games for those identifiable at the very least. If the club doesn't co-operate fully then throw the book at them, ban them from playing for a season or two or make them start their next season in the lower division minus 10 wins. Unless the team has a history of such supporter behaviour you probably don't want to punish all the supporters for the actions of a few so this needs to be considered when deciding

As for the referee, the club owner or chairman if it hasn't happened already, should be making a very public apology  disowning the offending supporters as well as paying all medical bills plus sizable compensation to the referee as you can't always leave it to the courts to do the right thing. The club should also be working with the police and the league unconditionally to identify the culprits. The league needs to make crystal clear that supporters and staff can not get away unpunished, otherwise you end up with supporter violence becoming the norm as happened in England in the eighties.

You make good points. This is how it should be dealt with, but this is Thailand.... anything could happen, but it seems to be going the right way so far.

The big thing about this incident though, is it wasn't just the NP fans involved, it was members of the NP staff too.

Hopefully they get a huge punishment which will firstly serve warning to all clubs who verbally or otherwise attack the match officials when a decision doesn't go their way. Secondly, hopefully this will have a knock on effect with the 'fans', because as things stand, the fans are not going to show any respect to the officials if their own teams staff can't even do it.

It's about time the clubs and their staff especially took responsibility for their actions. Hopefully this (if the punishment is as speculated) will be a wake up call for the whole of Thai Football, that it so badly needs.

[jezza]

You make good points. This is how it should be dealt with, but this is Thailand.... anything could happen, but it seems to be going the right way so far.

I just caught the tail end of a TV update on this so it does seem as if it is being taken seriously. There were several men sitting at a long table with police standing around in a typical Thai name and shame media event. When you have someone captured on TV waving a gun near a referee then it is pretty hard to sweep under the carpet, even in Thailand.

This is as you are very aware of, just the latest in a series of incidents this year that show Thai football in a bad light. With all the money being poured into clubs the last couple of years it wouldn't be very clever to let it all fall apart due to a lack of action when teams and supporters get out of line. Maybe draconian action is needed to ram that message home but Thailand being Thailand you can never know just what influence is being exerted behind the scenes to escape punishment. Just read the current discussions on the internet about the driver of the Honda involved in Monday nights tragic Vibhavadi Rangsit van collision and you will know what I mean...

[BangkokGlassBunny]

Just read the current discussions on the internet about the driver of the Honda involved in Monday nights tragic Vibhavadi Rangsit van collision and you will know what I mean...

I know exactly what you mean.. My wife gets that minivan route every day, it's scary stuff, especially at how it is trying to be covered up because she comes from a rich family.

Welcome to the web-board, by the way Do you follow a particular team?