Why the Anti Buriram PEA?

[binnsy]

For the life of me i do not understand the resentment towards Buriram PEA,the only notion i can come up with is envy but why the envy?we only finished runners up in the TPL were knocked out of the Thai F A Cup.
Maybe you have had the TPL shared amongst Chonburi and Muangthong over the past few seasons and you can sense a change is over the horizon if so don,t you think that is good for Thai football or are you happy being big fish in a small pond?.(aka Rangers/Celtic)
Bangkok Glass and Thai Port are not far behind so IMHO next season will be one to look forward to.

   

[Vinnie]

For the life of me i do not understand the resentment towards Buriram PEA,the only notion i can come up with is envy but why the envy?we only finished runners up in the TPL were knocked out of the Thai F A Cup.
   

I've noted that a couple of Buriram PEA fans have joined the forum, and as you've noted, there is quite a lot of anti-PEA sentiment on this forum.
I anticipate that this thread will provoke quite a response. I just want all members to bear in mind that this forum has always been a well-mannered, well-informed and generally polite and welcoming place. I'd like it to stay that way.
Thank-you.

[PEA]

well said binnsy buriram pea what a great club,the people behind the club are great and the fans well i must say in my opinion the best i have ever seen i truly hope this club wins everything possible good luck to them all they are a credit to THAILAND and THAI FOOTBALL.

[Vinnie]

For the life of me i do not understand the resentment towards Buriram PEA,the only notion i can come up with is envy but why the envy?   

If you've been reading the comments about PEA, which you presumably have, then it should be crystal clear.

[Nigb]

For the life of me i do not understand the resentment towards Buriram PEA,the only notion i can come up with is envy but why the envy?we only finished runners up in the TPL were knocked out of the Thai F A Cup.
  

I've noted that a couple of Buriram PEA fans have joined the forum, and as you've noted, there is quite a lot of anti-PEA sentiment on this forum.
I anticipate that this thread will provoke quite a response. I just want all members to bear in mind that this forum has always been a well-mannered, well-informed and generally polite and welcoming place. I'd like it to stay that way.
Thank-you.

Yes agreed.........  this topic is an opportunity for us to develop some understanding to why we think and feel certain ways about Buriram PEA and FC whether it be for or against. Keep it an intellectual discussion, this should benefit everyone.

[Vinnie]

A lot of the people who "don`t like" Buriram PEA do it of political reasons. Both the red and yellow shirts hate Newin. I`ll guess he`s the 2nd most hated man in Thailand.

The first being Worawi!

[BangkokGlassBunny]

I will try to provide a balanced view of my opinions on PEA without bringing politics into it.


What I don't like...

- Buying fans.

- Underhand tactics like the ones employed when you visited the LEO by dressing 400 or so fans in green to get them into the game when you knew what your allocation was but still brought more fans.

- Your stadium and 'car park'.

- The ridiculous and dangerous policies put in place for away fans, ie. no umbrellas, no water allowed.

- The owners conflicting interests by having more than one club.

- Your blatant rip-off of BG Man after I went to the Thunder Castle.

- Possible (and I say possible, because nothing has been proved) corruption.



What I don't mind...

- The fans 'dance routines' etc.



What I like....

- The genuine fans. Really nice, had a great fan club match with them.

- Even the 'not so genuine fans' were really friendly.

- Suchao Nutnum, whatever anyone thinks of him as a person, he has been outstanding for PEA this year. A real quality player who I wouldn't mind at BG. Also Dudu has been really good to every time I've seen him.

- There is no getting away from it, PEA are a quality team. They destroyed BG home and away and deservedly so.

- The atmosphere at the stadium, fake as it was, was still impressive.

[wolfman]

Maybe you have had the TPL shared amongst Chonburi and Muangthong over the past few seasons and you can sense a change is over the horizon if so don,t you think that is good for Thai football or are you happy being big fish in a small pond?.(aka Rangers/Celtic)

Seriously?? For those of us that don't count this as the 'first year' (and I'm quoting your owner and sponsors here), PEA won the league in 2008. Hardly a new force.

I'd say it isn't so much a resentment of the team itself, but the way the club owners seem to be exerting influence and dictating how the league is run.  Things like the allocation of the AFC spot should have been sorted well before the league finished and the cup semis had been played to remove suspicion.

If you read more than just the PEA posts, you'll see many on here talk about similar things regarding other clubs, (saving Bangkok UTD and Si Saket for example) and we bag them too.

The Chidchobs just seem to be repeat offenders. And I don't have a terribly high opinion of politicians, especially Thai ones.

[Vinnie]

Maybe you have had the TPL shared amongst Chonburi and Muangthong over the past few seasons and you can sense a change is over the horizon if so don,t you think that is good for Thai football or are you happy being big fish in a small pond?.(aka Rangers/Celtic)

Seriously?? For those of us that don't count this as the 'first year' (and I'm quoting your owner and sponsors here), PEA won the league in 2008. Hardly a new force.

I'd say it isn't so much a resentment of the team itself, but the way the club owners seem to be exerting influence and dictating how the league is run.  Things like the allocation of the AFC spot should have been sorted well before the league finished and the cup semis had been played to remove suspicion.

If you read more than just the PEA posts, you'll see many on here talk about similar things regarding other clubs, (saving Bangkok UTD and Si Saket for example) and we bag them too.

The Chidchobs just seem to be repeat offenders. I can't say I think much of paying fans to attend either.

The Rangers/Celtic comparison really doesn't hold any water. Until this year, we'd had a different champion each year stretching back to the 2003-04 season.

03-04 Krung Thai Bank
04-05 Tobacco Monopoly
2006 Bangkok University
2007 Chonburi
2008 PEA
2009 Muang Thong
2010 Muang Thong

I dare say there are a few MTU fans that are a bit put out because their expected one-team dominance of Thai football is now unlikely to materialise. But I don't think you'll find any of those fans on here.

[the_englishman]

I think Andy has said it best.

Some of the objections to PEA are simply cultural and there is nothing wrong with it per-se. It "feels" wrong for fans to be paid because it implies disloyalty, but in the case of Buriram this is probably simply because the locals are not rich and Newin wants to help them. I applaud this.

I applaud the noisiness of the fans but contrary to what Mark says, they aren't the most noisy IMHO. That honour goes to Thai Port.

I like the shirts -  both the design and the colours - and I like the football the team play.

The fans seem great.

The problem I have is that whatever anyone may say Binnsy, we all know what happened at the Buriram PEA V MTU game. That was just plain wrong and it destroys the spirit of football. Yes PEA were the better team but they did not truly win that game.

It seems from what we've read here and what I've heard that influence is being wielded in other ways and that is my ONLY real problem, that PEA may not win things by playing the best football. Any real football fan should resent a team winning a game by any other way than on the pitch by themselves.

If PEA win things by playing football then great, but if it looks like other forces are at play than it's just not right.

I think it's good that you have posted on here and I hope you post more.
Were you one of the fans I met at the game in August?

[the_englishman]

I think Vinnie has a point here. Mark, you always talk about PEA's "first year", it's not their first, second or even tenth year. They have been around for ages and simply moved up north.

Also Mark how about a little humility? You keep telling me and the MTU fans how much PEA are going to win, etc. How many MTU fans are rubbing the league title in your face? We did our talking on the pitch and I think constantly telling people what you will win 'next time' can look like envy.

Why not wait until you win everything next year - as you are so confident that everyone will roll over for your team - and then enjoy it amongst yourselves?

[Nigb]

In my opinion Thai Football has so much potential because it demands a "bottom - up" style of management if it's going to continue to grow. Management need to be accountable to the public, focused of the hard work needed for results and think long term. There is huge potential for much further growth.

In short Buriram are a "top - down" management system, a dictatorship. It's a fatal road to take. It starts with control of the club, (taking it from Ayutthaya), to controlling players, fans, then association (rescheduling, taking AFC Cup spots, ect) then logically can expect control of the referees and opposition teams.

It is very reasonable to expect that Thai football will die soon as the general public are shut out, rules are not respected and the game is no longer played on the field, but between powerful people exerting their will.


Yes I agree this is a great topic, we need to talk about these things openly. I look forward to thoughts from Buriram fans. From the enthusiasm and financial support Buriram has for football I still think they could be a great club, but wish they had some more faith in a long term development strategy to get there.

[PEA]

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For the life of me i do not understand the resentment towards Buriram PEA,the only notion i can come up with is envy but why the envy?we only finished runners up in the TPL were knocked out of the Thai F A Cup.
   

I've noted that a couple of Buriram PEA fans have joined the forum, and as you've noted, there is quite a lot of anti-PEA sentiment on this forum.
I anticipate that this thread will provoke quite a response. I just want all members to bear in mind that this forum has always been a well-mannered, well-informed and generally polite and welcoming place. I'd like it to stay that way.
Thank-you.

i am sure that we will be welcomed with open arms by you all,and as for myself i have no intention of causing a problem,i just joined this site to defend the club i love and support.i am aware of buriram not being the most loved club in thailand,but none of you see what the owners have done not only for the club but for the local people and the local area of buriram.we will almost certainly disagree on many subjects relating to the pea,look forward to the debates that will follow.

[the_englishman]

By the way PEA lads I know what it's like. This time last year Dale was in full on anti-MTU mode and a lot of people were criticising MTU for various things. Mostly "bandwagon" fans and alleged lobbying. PEA may have taken over the villain's role now but MTU still get stick. I always quote the Oscar Wilde line:
 The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. If PEA or MTU were rubbish. nobody would care what they did.

That said, I don't think anyone can say we never deserved any of our four championships.

[Nigb]

 

By the way PEA lads I know what it's like. This time last year Dale was in full on anti-MTU mode and a lot of people were criticising MTU for various things. Mostly "bandwagon" fans and alleged lobbying. PEA may have taken over the villain's role now but MTU still get stick. I always quote the Oscar Wilde line:
 The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. If PEA or MTU were rubbish. nobody would care what they did.

That said, I don't think anyone can say we never deserved any of our four championships.

yes we all need a villian...

and by the way I actually think there is a good chance Buriram PEA will win the league next year.

[druryfire]

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. If PEA or MTU were rubbish. nobody would care what they did.

That said, I don't think anyone can say we never deserved any of our four championships.

I don't no about that. TOT are pretty p!ss poor yet we always talk about them!!

And just to be a sod, I'm going to contest that last sentance, your first championship as Mueng Thong NongJork United was just terrbile!

[jakartacasual]

It is very reasonable to expect that Thai football will die soon as the general public are shut out, rules are not respected and the game is no longer played on the field, but between powerful people exerting their will.

sounds like politics in many countries round the world

[the_englishman]

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. If PEA or MTU were rubbish. nobody would care what they did.

That said, I don't think anyone can say we never deserved any of our four championships.

I don't no about that. TOT are pretty p!ss poor yet we always talk about them!!

And just to be a sod, I'm going to contest that last sentance, your first championship as Mueng Thong NongJork United was just terrbile!

They're not that poor, they are TPL. We didn't talk about RBAC that much did we?
Which team did you think played better than MTU over the course of a championship season and deserved to win the league but did not?

[wolfman]

In my opinion Thai Football has so much potential because it demands a "bottom - up" style of management if it's going to continue to grow. Management need to be accountable to the public, focused of the hard work needed for results and think long term. There is huge potential for much further growth.

In short Buriram are a "top - down" management system, a dictatorship. It's a fatal road to take. It starts with control of the club, (taking it from Ayutthaya), to controlling players, fans, then association (rescheduling, taking AFC Cup spots, ect) then logically can expect control of the referees and opposition teams.

It is very reasonable to expect that Thai football will die soon as the general public are shut out, rules are not respected and the game is no longer played on the field, but between powerful people exerting their will.


Yes I agree this is a great topic, we need to talk about these things openly. I look forward to thoughts from Buriram fans. From the enthusiasm and financial support Buriram has for football I still think they could be a great club, but wish they had some more faith in a long term development strategy to get there.

This, but especially that last line.

I'd have much more respect for Newin had he thrown his weight (and baht) behind his province's existing club only, and brought TPL football to his people in a more conventional way. Instead he's catered to the Thai desire for instant gratification, and still had to pay the fans to attend.

Other the other hand, it makes sense from a business point of view. I doubt, even with the handouts, that Buriram FC would have pulled in nearly as many fans without TPL football and the success of PEA as a sweetener. Mrs. Chidchob's team probably wouldn't have been as successful without the loans of PEA players and coaches. I can see the sense of paying fans to get bums on seats, and expose Thai folks to the football being played on the own doorstep, in the hope that they would like the product and return. It will be interesting to see whether they continue this practice next season or not. If the fans aren't coming to the matches of their own accord after attending 70+ matches this season, then they probably never will.

[wolfman]

I don't no about that. TOT are pretty p!ss poor yet we always talk about them!!

Aren't they like comic relief?? Since svein66 has stopped us taking the mickey out of Bangkok Utd , we're fortunate TOT don't have any defenders here (pun intended).

[the_englishman]

i am aware of buriram not being the most loved club in thailand,but none of you see what the owners have done not only for the club but for the local people and the local area of buriram.we will almost certainly disagree on many subjects relating to the pea,look forward to the debates that will follow.

I understand and appreciate the sentiment once again but let's try to be realistic here: Newin is a politician, not a philanthropist. It's good of him to subsidise the fans but to worship him and call him a "great man" I find strange. He does things for local people because they vote for him. When they vote for him he gets money and power. Let's remember he's been linked with the blue shirts and is now being investigated by the NCCC.

Again, I credit him for what he's doing to help the local football fans because he could probably win any election by a landslide without doing that but a clearly dubious political character is certainly not my idea of a great man. Many Thais seem to agree judging by recent opinion polls.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/415473-suthep-ranked-least-honest%3B-abhisit-tops-thai-poll/

One final point - it worries me that essentially Newin is the boss of the TFA, they will never be able to punish PEA for any misconduct. That's the biggest COI I've ever seen.

[PEA]

i am aware of buriram not being the most loved club in thailand,but none of you see what the owners have done not only for the club but for the local people and the local area of buriram.we will almost certainly disagree on many subjects relating to the pea,look forward to the debates that will follow.

I understand and appreciate the sentiment once again but let's try to be realistic here: Newin is a politician, not a philanthropist. It's good of him to subsidise the fans but to worship him and call him a "great man" I find strange. He does things for local people because they vote for him. When they vote for him he gets money and power. Let's remember he's been linked with the blue shirts and is now being investigated by the NCCC.

Again, I credit him for what he's doing to help the local football fans because he could probably win any election by a landslide without doing that but a clearly dubious political character is certainly not my idea of a great man. Many Thais seem to agree judging by recent opinion polls.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/415473-suthep-ranked-least-honest%3B-abhisit-tops-thai-poll/

One final point - it worries me that essentially Newin is the boss of the TFA, they will never be able to punish PEA for any misconduct. That's the biggest COI I've ever seen.

tell me the name of a politician who does not want votes we all know he wants votes he is a business man as ,but all i am saying is he is the only man ever to do anything for the local people of buriram this is why not only the locals love him but 95% of the farang love him to,he certainly has my vote,sorry just remembered i have no vote.

[binnsy]

Well it appears to me that the number one reason of the dislike to Buriram PEA is the little matter that fans are paid.To the best of my knowledge there are 800 who get 100 baht these are known as the Hardcore the rest pay there own way.With gates of over 10000 for home games thats a lot who are paying.All the teams in the TPL have benifited by this as when these Hardcore travel to away games it increases the home sides gate somewhat or maybe the home teams don,t take this revenue?

Another point is the political view that the owner has.That is his choice and i am sure that some officlals who referee Buriram are RED or YELLOW so this could be against the owner of Buriram PEA.

The water situation is exactly the same for HOME fans as it is for AWAY fans and after attending some grounds this season and witnessed bottle throwing when the fans feel a decision has gone against there team maybe it is justified in bannng bootles into the stadium.If the Thais never had this need to chuck bottles i am sure that water would be allowed into the stadium.How much has your teams been fined this past season for bottle throwing?.That money would be better on improving grounds/teams.

The umberella situation i also feel it is harsh.

The mascot copying of Bangkok Glass is that really a reason to dislike a team?

The car park again is that really a reason?

The second place in the AFC for next season I personally am not bothered who gets it as from what I have seen it is a distraction and it will be a few years before a Thai side wins this.IMHO
 

[BangkokGlassBunny]

The mascot copying of Bangkok Glass is that really a reason to dislike a team?

Of course not, but it is if a very good reason if you are the mascot in question

The car park again is that really a reason?

When did I say I didn't like PEA because of their car park... I said I didn't like their car park, not that I didn't like PEA because of it.

...

And regarding the water bottle situation.... I'm not talking about water bottles, I'm talking about WATER. Unless things have changed since BG's visit, maybe you can tell me, but we weren't even allowed to take water in a bag into the stadium, presumably so we didn't try to suffocate some PEA players with our dangerous plastic bags??? I'm being facetious of course, but can you explain that one to me?

[binnsy]

I will try to provide a balanced view of my opinions on PEA without bringing politics into it.


What I don't like...

- Buying fans.

- Underhand tactics like the ones employed when you visited the LEO by dressing 400 or so fans in green to get them into the game when you knew what your allocation was but still brought more fans.

- Your stadium and 'car park'.

- The ridiculous and dangerous policies put in place for away fans, ie. no umbrellas, no water allowed.

- The owners conflicting interests by having more than one club.

- Your blatant rip-off of BG Man after I went to the Thunder Castle.

- Possible (and I say possible, because nothing has been proved) corruption.



What I don't mind...

- The fans 'dance routines' etc.



What I like....

- The genuine fans. Really nice, had a great fan club match with them.

- Even the 'not so genuine fans' were really friendly.

- Suchao Nutnum, whatever anyone thinks of him as a person, he has been outstanding for PEA this year. A real quality player who I wouldn't mind at BG. Also Dudu has been really good to every time I've seen him.

- There is no getting away from it, PEA are a quality team. They destroyed BG home and away and deservedly so.

- The atmosphere at the stadium, fake as it was, was still impressive.

What does your opinion say with regards to The Stadium and Car Park?

[BangkokGlassBunny]

What does your opinion say with regards to The Stadium and Car Park?

I give up !!! You really have missed the point in your own statement/question.

You said 'Is the car park really a reason to dislike a team?'.

OK, 2nd time lucky - I never said I disliked Buriram PEA because of their car park... I said 'I DISLIKE THEIR CAR PARK'

There is a huge difference.

And for the record, as my original post showed (at least I thought it did), I don't overly dislike PEA. There are teams I dislike far more than them, I was just adding my opinions on what I liked and disliked about the club.

There is lots that I like and lots that I dislike about BG too, it doesn't mean I dislike the team.

Kao Jai Mai

[binnsy]

Under The ANTI BURIRAM you clearly quoted the stadium and car park as a dislike have a read to remind. youself

[the_englishman]

I am being real. The people not being real are the people who cannot bring themselves to accept the evidence.

Teams may occasionally get undeserved free kicks, etc and show me a team in the whole league that doesn't have players that exaggerate injuries. I don't like it any more than you do but one player can only affect the game so far.

The ref in the Buriram - MTU game was different and nobody can put their hand on their heart and say otherwise IMHO. I've been watching football for twenty+ years in many countries and I have never seen anything like it. I've never come away from a game believing that the ref had been bent before or since.

How many times did your goalie roll around? And not a single second of injury time? Not one? You know the rules, so explain that to me.

There is solid video evidence that the goal was a handball, foul and offside. OK officials may miss one of the three but to miss all three in a game where he did not add on a  second of injury time is an incrdible coincidence.  Then we have the bizarre stopping of play when Christian looked like he might break through, the ignored trip of Dagno in the box, etc.

Yes referees make mistakes. Yes, MTU may have got tiny bias from somewhere. But there's a difference between error, home crowd favouring and a referee who has been tampered with, and we all know it.

[Vinnie]

There is a simple solution: Don't let politicians run football clubs. Then all doubt is removed.

[binnsy]

As an ex referee I do no the rules of the game.
Yes there were infringments  but the state that the officals were got at is a debatable statement unless there is concrete proof.
You was watching the game from behind the goal and the goal was given at the opposite end to where you were standing.
Regarding the timing Who,s watch was you going by?.

[binnsy]

There is a simple solution: Don't let politicians run football clubs. Then all doubt is removed.

Very True
I do believe that Nevin is currently suspended.

[glenn_pattaya]

I don't particularly dislike Buriram the football club but I do dislike the practice of paying people to watch football - when they were paying all the school kids in the stand next to us at the PEA v Pattaya game that was the only time they showed any emotion at all - they couldn't care less about football. The dodgy decisions issue does seem to hang over the club but who can blame the refs with that amount of political clout hanging over them - let's not forget in order to settle a business dispute at the airport car park this guy was able to send in a large number of armed thugs to occupy the car park at an international airport -he was able to do this with impunity - imagine what he can do to a little referee. The dancing fans - sorry they just make me laugh  but it is the same with the MT Ultras with their songbooks and dance routines so I find it amusing / slightly annoying but that is the culture here (following the Japanese) so I can accept it.
Anyway can I say it's good to have another regular poster on the board. The more the merrier.

[Vinnie]

There is a simple solution: Don't let politicians run football clubs. Then all doubt is removed.

Very True
I do believe that Nevin is currently suspended.

Ha-ha! Of course! A suspended politician is so much more suitable to be in charge of a football club than one who hasn't fallen foul of parlimentary rules!
And as if he wouldn't have been allowed to get involved with football if he was still in office.

Seriously, though, they shouldn't be allowed to run football clubs. I've been just as critical of Suwat Liptapanlop. He's desperate to get involved with a TPL club.

[the_englishman]

There is a simple solution: Don't let politicians run football clubs. Then all doubt is removed.

Very True
I do believe that Nevin is currently suspended.

He is suspended from being in either house or a party executive. . That doesn't stop him being a politician.

[BangkokGlassBunny]

Under The ANTI BURIRAM you clearly quoted the stadium and car park as a dislike have a read to remind. youself

Sigh!!!
Are you joking or can you really not understand

I keep my opinions to myself in future even though you asked in the title of the topic 'Why the Anti Buriram PEA?'

I'm not wasting my any more of my time explaining a very clear point... I refuse to fight a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.

[the_englishman]

As an ex referee I do no the rules of the game.
Yes there were infringments  but the state that the officals were got at is a debatable statement unless there is concrete proof.
You was watching the game from behind the goal and the goal was given at the opposite end to where you were standing.
Regarding the timing Who,s watch was you going by?.

The goal is on video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IqPzwrvMiA

Watch that and tell us in all honest truth you cannot see the offside, the handball or the foul. They show it in slow motion again at the end.
Of course it can't be proven that's why certain people know they can get away with it.

Regarding the timing - the TV clock, the MTU staff and my own watch were all in unison of twenty seconds or so. We all made it ninety minutes spot on.

[the_englishman]

I must applaud you Binnsy for being the only articulate Buriram fan here. You are holding fort by yourself and doing a dedicated job :-)

[druryfire]

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. If PEA or MTU were rubbish. nobody would care what they did.

That said, I don't think anyone can say we never deserved any of our four championships.

I don't no about that. TOT are pretty p!ss poor yet we always talk about them!!

And just to be a sod, I'm going to contest that last sentance, your first championship as Mueng Thong NongJork United was just terrbile!

They're not that poor, they are TPL. We didn't talk about RBAC that much did we?
Which team did you think played better than MTU over the course of a championship season and deserved to win the league but did not?

RBAC don't play TPL Greg, not since donkies back when no one watched the TPL.

PTT played much better than MTU in 2007 but didn't win the league. Thats the travesty.

[druryfire]

I don't no about that. TOT are pretty p!ss poor yet we always talk about them!!

Aren't they like comic relief?? Since svein66 has stopped us taking the mickey out of Bangkok Utd , we're fortunate TOT don't have any defenders here (pun intended).

TTM seem to get off lightlightly in this thread since they changed name, but  i guess they've had a year in Phichit and might move on again!

[druryfire]

What does your opinion say with regards to The Stadium and Car Park?

I give up !!! You really have missed the point in your own statement/question.

You said 'Is the car park really a reason to dislike a team?'.

OK, 2nd time lucky - I never said I disliked Buriram PEA because of their car park... I said 'I DISLIKE THEIR CAR PARK'

There is a huge difference.

Can I ask what is wrong with the car park? Binnsy obviously loves it.

[Tobi]

Start a new thread... "Why the Anti Buriram Car Park?"

[druryfire]

Start a new thread... "Why the Anti Buriram Car Park?"

As requested, Ive created a car parks thread on the General Discussion area. I expect prompt responses from Binnsy and BKK Bunny.

No insults please in this thread

[the_englishman]

RBAC don't play TPL Greg, not since donkies back when no one watched the TPL.

PTT played much better than MTU in 2007 but didn't win the league. Thats the travesty.

1) Was my point

2) If they played better why did they not get more points?
Only you or Dan could say something like that.

[PEA]

I must applaud you Binnsy for being the only articulate Buriram fan here. You are holding fort by yourself and doing a dedicated job :-)

whatever

[binnsy]

Start a new thread... "Why the Anti Buriram Car Park?"

As requested, Ive created a car parks thread on the General Discussion area. I expect prompt responses from Binnsy and BKK Bunny


You must be some kind of ****

No insults please in this thread

[druryfire]

RBAC don't play TPL Greg, not since donkies back when no one watched the TPL.

PTT played much better than MTU in 2007 but didn't win the league. Thats the travesty.

1) Was my point

2) If they played better why did they not get more points?
Only you or Dan could say something like that.

Greg, don't believe for a minute that you know anything of the MTU's campaigns in 2007 and 2008 so I don't know why you are trying to make a stand.

As for the better remark, come on, your better than this. If MTU didn't win the league this year you would still tell us that they were the better footballing team. In fact, this is what you told us about Raj, yet were did they come?

[druryfire]

Start a new thread... "Why the Anti Buriram Car Park?"

As requested, Ive created a car parks thread on the General Discussion area. I expect prompt responses from Binnsy and BKK Bunny


You must be some kind of ****

No insults please in this thread

I'm sorry for upsetting you, but you wanted to be defensive about the car park so I've given you the opportunity. It's nothing about the club but a car park, I'm amazed you have taken my new thread so wrongly.

[wolfman]

PTT played much better than MTU in 2007 but didn't win the league. Thats the travesty.

2) If they played better why did they not get more points?
 

Football can be cruel sometimes.

[wolfman]

i am sure that we will be welcomed with open arms by you all,and as for myself i have no intention of causing a problem,i just joined this site to defend the club i love and support.i am aware of buriram not being the most loved club in thailand,but none of you see what the owners have done not only for the club but for the local people and the local area of buriram.we will almost certainly disagree on many subjects relating to the pea,look forward to the debates that will follow.

i don't care what you or your friends say since i have been on here i have had to listen to all your winging and whining about fans being paid about newin is a corrupt man,the refs being tampered with,newin should not be allowed to run 2 clubs,the game against muangthong was wrong because the goalkeeper was cheating the ref never allowed enough injury time,we cannot take our water bottles into the ground etc etc,then when i say something i am wrong and then you tell me that i am rude[/b].if you don't believe what i say up to you but to state a fact is not being rude,and one more thing read your own statement (we try to be nice to people around here)your not trying hard enough.UP THE BURIRAM PEA.

Then defend them. Mark, you've written a lot, but actually said sod all since you joined. You know you've been in Thailand far too long if you think that "Buriram-PEA is the best because Buriram-PEA is the best" is irrefutable logic.

Binnsy has addressed the fan-paying and the water issues (and of course the car park ), so how about you tackle some of the others.

Do you believe the Mr & Mrs C owning two clubs in the same competition is a conflict of interest, especially if they both end up in the TPL in the future? At this stage, my main concern is the sharing of personnel giving BFC an unfair leg-up out of Division 2.

Has the constant moving of fixtures involving your two clubs been at Buriram's request? If so, what is the justification? Regardless of whether or not you know the facts, what are your views on the issue? To my knowledge, no similar concessions have been made in other 2-club towns. Is this fair?

Please enlighten us, what has Newin done for the clubs and the town?

Please try to get beyond a one-word answer this time, and actually discuss the issues.  

[the_englishman]

RBAC don't play TPL Greg, not since donkies back when no one watched the TPL.

PTT played much better than MTU in 2007 but didn't win the league. Thats the travesty.

1) Was my point

2) If they played better why did they not get more points?
Only you or Dan could say something like that.

Greg, don't believe for a minute that you know anything of the MTU's campaigns in 2007 and 2008 so I don't know why you are trying to make a stand.

As for the better remark, come on, your better than this. If MTU didn't win the league this year you would still tell us that they were the better footballing team. In fact, this is what you told us about Raj, yet were did they come?

OK I will indulge you Drury by giving you the reaction that you want :-)
Absolute nonsense once again Drury. Like Dale, you sometimes try to claim authority from football antiquity but in this case it doesn't wash.
The reason I can take a stand on MTU's campaign is because it was over the course of a season right? And it stands to all kinds of logic that over the course of a season the best team will win the league. Did you go to every MTU and PTT game?
And if you read my article properly I said Raj "but are in fact one of the best teams in D1" .and explained why I felt that.

And please don't put words into my mouth, I would not say MTU were the best if they had not won the league.