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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2010, 05:45:48 AM » |
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I think the winners get 10 million baht.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2010, 10:03:35 AM » |
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My mistake, the total prize money is "over 10 million baht" , the winning team gets 5 million.
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Vinnie
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2010, 01:49:11 PM » |
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Not sure what to make of this. A cynic might say it was yet another example of the PL/FAT milking the current popularity of the domestic game (which is already showing signs of cooling) to add to the Runners-up Cup, the Super Champ Regional Cup and the big four Super Cup.
It just seems to have gone from one extreme to the other.
For years we (and I'm thinking about former Provincial League clubs, here) had to make do with a twenty-game, five-month season. And now we have a 30-game season, FA Cup, League Cup and play-offs. It's nearly year-round football and most players in the RL are semi-pros with other jobs.
Would be quite happy to see us not enter this.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2010, 03:59:09 PM » |
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This is just the FA Cup all over again isn't it?
Most RL teams don't bother with the FA Cup, but it seems they have been told to enter the League Cup.
Why can't the Queen's Cup be used to organise a competition like this. Is there any point to future Queen's Cup tournaments? What other tournaments will be next?
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Vinnie
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2010, 04:14:15 PM » |
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This is just the FA Cup all over again isn't it?
Pretty much except without non-league teams and an AFC Cup spot. What it all amounts to is another 5,000,000 baht for one of the top four. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2010, 04:22:49 PM » |
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I disagree, I think it's a very good idea. The reason many small teams don't enter the FA Cup is beacuse they don't get assiatance with travel expenses, etc. hopefully they will in this one.
It's also a good opportunity for the smaller clubs to get a big match. That will bring more fans, more exposure and the chance for lower league players to prove themselves.
The big four will probably play reserve teams so they (the reserves) get a chance, too.
Vinnie, wouldn't you want to see Korat Vs Buriram PEA? I'd be very pleased to see Nonthaburi Vs Muangthong, for example.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2010, 04:35:53 PM » |
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If we don't make it to the play-offs then winning this competition would mean nothing to me let alone playing Provincial Electricity in the first round.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2010, 04:56:06 PM » |
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I must admit that I'm not too excited by this news. Why introduce a new competition now? Why can't they sort all this out at the start of the season? Announcing the TPL second leg fixtures when the first leg is coming to an end is just as ridiculous. And dropping in national team matches at the drop of a hat.
I'd probably have been more in favour if we'd have known about this from day one. With clear dates for the FA Cup rounds, League Cup rounds and a full set of league fixtures.
I think that this has more to do with politics than football. Just bear in mind whose company sponsors the FA Cup. The League Cup is obviously attempting to steal that competition's thunder.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2010, 05:03:44 PM » |
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I must admit that I'm not too excited by this news. Why introduce a new competition now? Why can't they sort all this out at the start of the season? Announcing the TPL second leg fixtures when the first leg is coming to an end is just as ridiculous. And dropping in national team matches at the drop of a hat.
I'd probably have been more in favour if we'd have known about this from day one. With clear dates for the FA Cup rounds, League Cup rounds and a full set of league fixtures.
I think that this has more to do with politics than football. Just bear in mind whose company sponsors the FA Cup. The League Cup is obviously attempting to steal that competition's thunder.
I need to agree. Espacially in regards to the last sentence. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2010, 02:22:36 AM » |
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I disagree, I think it's a very good idea. The reason many small teams don't enter the FA Cup is beacuse they don't get assiatance with travel expenses, etc. hopefully they will in this one.
It's also a good opportunity for the smaller clubs to get a big match. That will bring more fans, more exposure and the chance for lower league players to prove themselves.
The big four will probably play reserve teams so they (the reserves) get a chance, too.
Vinnie, wouldn't you want to see Korat Vs Buriram PEA? I'd be very pleased to see Nonthaburi Vs Muangthong, for example.
The problem is though Greg, is that why couldn't they do this for the FA Cup? If they couldn't do it for one tournament, then why start another tournament? I know you think it is all good news and the prospect of having TPL teams taking on RL teams for instance, but unfortunatly, ever since I have followed Thai football and looked back at the history aswell since the TPL was founded back in 1996 is that all these tournament seem to come and go. Personally, I just can't get my head around the fact that these tournaments are brought in on a whim. Especially this seaosn when all i currently hear is the need to get the TPL games in after a slow start to the season. I've said this before, but my local league is more organised than this. It just seems the guys in charge follow the money trail rather than thinking of the game. A few years ago I loved following the in's and out's of the Thai game (you will see from my early blog years). But just recently i feel it has gone overkill and i'm finding it hard to keep motivated about something that changes week by week. All other Asian leagues i follow outside of ASEAN anyway are soundly organised, you know when teams will play and they don't overload the domestic game. It's simple as that. But Thailand makes if too difficult. I don't know how newly converted Thai people to the domestic game get to follow it. But in these early years of professionalism and more supporters through the gates, they will only support realistically about 4 teams who can win anything. In 5 years time the domestic league will be gone again. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2010, 09:06:24 AM » |
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I agree with you and Dale that the timing seems inconsiderate. It would be far better to have introduced this next season. But we all know that this chopping and changing isn't restricted to football, it's Thailand to a tee. I don't think we should object to the tournament itself based on that.
But I still think it's a good thing to have the league cup for the reasons mentioned previously, though I also think the FA Cup should be better organised so all the lower league teams can enter.
Vinnie, short of injuries and suspensions - that are a risk in any game - Korat's promotion chances are not put at risk by playing in separate tournament are they? I still bet you'd love to see a big crowd at Korat to take on a big TPL side.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2010, 10:57:49 PM » |
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Tonight's attendance would suggest that the Chonburi football public aren't really interested in additional cup competitions. Certainly at the 3rd round stage.
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2010, 11:05:17 PM » |
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Tonight's attendance would suggest that the Chonburi football public aren't really interested in additional cup competitions. Certainly at the 3rd round stage.
Well thats settled then. FAT will play another tournament anyway. The only other tournaments i could really get behind are district tournaments that we have in the UK, such as the North Riding Cup or Liverpool Senior Cup for example. In Thailand, you could have the same sort of thing done on a regional basis which pits all teams from a province into one cup. These would all be done as and when the local FA's wanted to host them. Currently in Thailand, only areas that could be played right now would be Chonburi, Phuket and Khon Kaen. This in Thailand would give your school teams more of a chance of meeting a bigger near neighbour. |
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Vinnie
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 12:22:08 PM » |
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Vinnie, short of injuries and suspensions - that are a risk in any game - Korat's promotion chances are not put at risk by playing in separate tournament are they? I still bet you'd love to see a big crowd at Korat to take on a big TPL side.
Even a home game against Muang Thong or Chonburi would only be a mildly entertaining diversion. We have three priorities this season: play-offs, play-offs, play-offs. |
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2010, 12:57:22 PM » |
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If the crowds at this week's FA Cup ties are anything to go by, the organisers will really need to work hard to sell this tournament to the public. It will be interesting to see how they promote it.
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2010, 02:37:11 PM » |
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Vinnie, short of injuries and suspensions - that are a risk in any game - Korat's promotion chances are not put at risk by playing in separate tournament are they? I still bet you'd love to see a big crowd at Korat to take on a big TPL side.
Even a home game against Muang Thong or Chonburi would only be a mildly entertaining diversion. We have three priorities this season: play-offs, play-offs, play-offs. yes I have to say my first thought was I hope Ayutthaya get knocked out early, promotion is the goal. |
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2010, 02:56:26 PM » |
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In nearly 47 years of following football, I have never wanted a team that I have been supporting to lose. Under any circumstances. I understand that clubs have priorities but winning games, in any competition, has to be the first one. Doesn't it? This modern trend for fielding weakened teams baffles me. Back in the 60's, 70's and 80's the top English teams, M*n U*d, Leeds & Liverpool, picked their best 11 for EVERY match. The Liverpool team of the 70's and 80's used to win every competition going using no more than 13 or 14 players all season.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2010, 05:16:38 AM » |
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players get injured much easier these days. bunch of softies they are
pitches were deeper, balls wee heavier and wagon wheels were cheaper. 20p to stand on wind swept open terraces...england is geting softer and softer.
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Vinnie
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2010, 12:56:28 PM » |
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First blow to the competition, only 57 of the 74 Regional league clubs are entering. Clubs notable by their absence include Chiang Mai and Buriram. Draw for the qualification round today at 14:00.
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2010, 02:16:17 PM » |
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First blow to the competition, only 57 of the 74 Regional league clubs are entering. Clubs notable by their absence include Chiang Mai and Buriram. Draw for the qualification round today at 14:00.
What a surprise. The FA Cup in disguise |
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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2010, 03:15:46 PM » |
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Those 17 non-participants in full:
North: Chiang Mai, Lampang, Chainat, Nakhon Sawan
Central: Lopburi, Saraburi, Ayutthaya
South: Ranong, Krabi, Satun, Pattani, Surat Thani
Issan: Yasothon, Udon Thani, Nong Bua Lamphu, Buriram
Bangkok: Bangkok Christian
It's interesting that more than half of those teams - maybe 10 or 11 - are play-off contenders. They presumably feel, as I suggested, that this competition is an unnecessary intrusion during the crucial run-in.
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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2010, 07:12:39 PM » |
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Qualification round organised into the regional divisions. We're at home to Loei on August 11th, the same date as all matches involving Northeast and Central teams. Northern and Southern fixtures are played on August 18th and Bangkok matches are played on August 4th, different to the original schedule which had the matches being played on July 26th - 31st.
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2010, 08:48:27 PM » |
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2010, 06:45:38 PM » |
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Those 17 non-participants in full:
North: Chiang Mai, Lampang, Chainat, Nakhon Sawan
Central: Lopburi, Saraburi, Ayutthaya
South: Ranong, Krabi, Satun, Pattani, Surat Thani
Issan: Yasothon, Udon Thani, Nong Bua Lamphu, Buriram
Bangkok: Bangkok Christian
It's interesting that more than half of those teams - maybe 10 or 11 - are play-off contenders. They presumably feel, as I suggested, that this competition is an unnecessary intrusion during the crucial run-in.
Four of the top five Bangkok teams will play so it's still a good turnout. I think cash may play a part for many of those abstinent teams - Ayutthaya, Chiang Mai, Saraburi, and obviously Buriram strike me as perhaps the richer of the lower league teams. They don't need the cash! Then again, Nonthaburi have a few quid, too, but perhaps this reveals another reason why the Bangkok teams are happier to enter - they usually have less travelling to do. |
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Vinnie
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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2010, 07:08:11 PM » |
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It's the type of competition that makes more sense if you're a mid-table or lower RL team: You've had nothing to play for for months but this competition comes along and provides a bit of late-season interest. Of course, should our play-off bid fall apart I reserve the right to claim that this competition was always a priority.  |
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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2010, 01:50:49 PM » |
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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2010, 12:31:27 AM » |
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As much as I'm opposed to this tournament, that's a good website.
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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2010, 04:07:05 AM » |
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As much as I'm opposed to this tournament, that's a good website.
More or less yes, But I would be glad to see things like that under one roof in such a quality. Means even under the roof of the TPL or the FAT. And not like a sidekick. |
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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2010, 01:22:35 AM » |
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It starts to become a farce. Two more clubs withdrawn form the cup, namely Raj-Vithi and Chumphon.
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« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2010, 01:30:08 AM » |
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Have they given reasons for their withdrawals?
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« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2010, 03:42:17 AM » |
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Yes, Raj withdraw, because of concentrating on the play offs. Chumphon, for I guess internal reasons. Sometimes its tough to find your way trough Thai excuses ;-)
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« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2010, 05:36:54 PM » |
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So, these are the games being played today:
Thanks to google for the translation
Rangsit University - JW FC . - . San Airways customers .
Bangkok Thai Summit . - . Wittaya North Bangkok .
Asia United Thanyaburi Rose . - . Rajabhat University .
North - Central . - . Kasem Bandit .
Ratchawithi . - . Bangkok FC . - Bangkok get bye
Kasetsart University . - . Nonthaburi
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« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2010, 05:39:52 PM » |
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Yes, Raj withdraw, because of concentrating on the play offs. Chumphon, for I guess internal reasons. Sometimes its tough to find your way trough Thai excuses ;-)
So, in this new exciting cup, only two qualifying games will take place in the South. A Joke. |
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« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2010, 05:40:13 PM » |
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@ Dru Toyota League Cup - Overview No need to go the hardway. Use, thai-fussball.de It's availabe in english  |
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« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2010, 05:44:00 PM » |
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Thanks very much Loko, saved me a hell of a time that. I feel such a fool. |
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« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2010, 07:22:36 PM » |
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lol can you read thai? how did you translate the thai news and make them english? |
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« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2010, 07:48:43 PM » |
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lol can you read thai? how did you translate the thai news and make them english? I have to admit that all the other guys here in this forum are much better in reading thai than I am. And for me, I have to translate it into German, and than into English. But maybe I do have some thai staff?!  |
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« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2010, 09:03:08 PM » |
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Home AND away?! It gets worse.
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« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2010, 09:30:23 PM » |
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Kaesetstart Vs Nonthaburi postponed due to heavy 'toxic' rainfall. Moved to next Wednesday.
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« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2010, 09:38:53 PM » |
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Kaesetstart Vs Nonthaburi postponed due to heavy 'toxic' rainfall. Moved to next Wednesday.
That's brilliant!! Do you have any more details? Oldham once had a match at Sheffield United postponed when an unexploded WWII bomb was found next to Brammall Lane an hour or so before kick off. |
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« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2010, 09:42:27 PM » |
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Kaesetstart Vs Nonthaburi postponed due to heavy 'toxic' rainfall. Moved to next Wednesday.
That's brilliant!! Do you have any more details? Oldham once had a match at Sheffield United postponed when an unexploded WWII bomb was found next to Brammall Lane an hour or so before kick off. Apparently there was some kind of explosion that took out two of the floodlights. According to my translation a transformer (the electrical type, not the Autobot type) exploded due to rain exposue and caused a small fire! They will play at 1530 next week so they obviously are not confident of a quick repair! |
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« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2010, 09:57:19 PM » |
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Home AND away?! It gets worse.
As said in the first post in this topic: "The first round will start on the 28th of August where Division 1 and Premier League Clubs will join the tournament and fixtures will be played home and away." But in Thailand everything can change very quick, so we just have to wait and see... Especially as there are already league fixtures scheduled for the 28th. More and more ridiculous. "Booze" up and brewery spring to mind. Again!!!! |
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« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2010, 10:05:31 PM » |
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Home AND away?! It gets worse.
As said in the first post in this topic: "The first round will start on the 28th of August where Division 1 and Premier League Clubs will join the tournament and fixtures will be played home and away." But in Thailand everything can change very quick, so we just have to wait and see... Especially as there are already league fixtures scheduled for the 28th. More and more ridiculous. "Booze" up and brewery spring to mind. Again!!!! Pattaya United vs Bangkok United is already moved from August 29 to October 10. It says so on the BU-website anyway. The Thai League Online site still has all the original fixtures listed for the 28th and 29th. Thai football - one step forward, two steps back. |
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« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2010, 04:00:21 AM » |
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Kaesetstart Vs Nonthaburi postponed due to heavy 'toxic' rainfall. Moved to next Wednesday.
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« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2010, 11:53:36 AM » |
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toxic rain and lights getting blown up :/
I sort of don't trust the translator somehow... if you need a proper translator then feel free to contact me because I'm a thai although sometimes (not often though) I might have a problem about reading and understanding some letters since I spent half of my life living in english-speaking countries.
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« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2010, 09:11:17 AM » |
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Korat 3-1 Loei City. A late change to my schedule meant I couldn't be there.  No matter I'll be there in the next round when Muang Thong come to visit. Great idea this tournament, I've always said that. |
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« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2010, 03:16:02 PM » |
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No Chance, Vinnie, I already promised MTU to Chaiyaphum Uited |
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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2010, 12:28:29 PM » |
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Out of the sixteen matches played so far - all on Wednesdays - ten have kicked off at 15:30.
All this promotion and they play games at that time midweek! There are some things about football in this country that I will never understand.
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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2010, 12:43:18 PM » |
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Kasetsart University were drawing 0-0 with Nonthaburi when they decided to walk off and not come back on. Therefore, the game was forfeited and Nonthaburi were awarded a 2-0 victory.
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