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« on: October 22, 2009, 07:03:36 PM »

Thailand football has gone through series of devastated of heart breaking experience in recent years.
A number of die-hard fans were left pondering why would a nation with such football learning opportunities seemingly going nowhere with its football development. Thailand best talents currently roaming the pitch
of Australia with a little better opportunity being outskirt of Europe, Belgium to be exact.

I was surprised to learn that an estimate of 40million of Manchester Uinited fans in Asian 14million are right here, in Thailand. It is the second largaest ManU fans base after China with approximately 20million sharing the love of the Red Devils leaving the rest scrattered with possibly two and a half fans in Katmandu.

Whether local fans are dissppointing with local talents display or fascinating with the display of the game of football played in foreign lands causing the local to turn away from the local game, I am not certain. One thing I notice is, however, that Thai football fans and officials are fascinating with foreign coaches.

Take a Brazilian coach by the name of Carlos Roberto Carvalo who has just took Thai football fans for a short joyful ride and suddenly fell off the surf board knocking their heads on the coconut trees. Thailand U16's boys were edged out by the boys of a rising football development program, Vietnam.

Carlos Roberto Carvalo has been in the Kingdom on and off for about 30 years.


After enjoying Asean football supremacy for about two decades taking advantage of a relatively stable political situation in the kingdom while neighbouring countries struggling with their countries management turmoids, Thailand football is for the first time facing a serious challenge by Vietnam. It is happening in all levels not just at the senior side which was quite evident from SuZuki Cup 2008 to Asian Women's U19 in China in July 2009 and recently Asian Boys U16 Championship ,right here, in Thailand.

Over the years we have learned that a decent coach with a great motivating ability like Peter Withe could be a short term fix for Thailand football. But he is a short term date not a marrital material.

Next, came the 'me want to go home' Peter Reid from the clause of his contract, we should see it coming even from a dimmed light of a pub on Sukumvit that this one is not for real. Reid contract which was included a clause of he can open negotiation with any club interest in hiring him at anytime while he was the head coch of Thailand NT was essestial, an open relationship identiiable as a 'dating preneptial'. Lets just enjoy the drink and we each go separate way is what I would have said. I guess at that moment the light was real dimmed and the music was just the right tunes. The best thing that emerges from this deal, and I hope that FAT is realizing the values is Steve Darby. He is what confused football program such Thailand football need, for a long term reform.

I am trying to understand Thailand football so for the first time I visited Thailand League website.
There was an article under News that read. 

Hans Emser - Youth Football Thailand

How to get a well organized game - Exclusive with  Hans R. Emser, Bangkok Glass

In today's modern international football is played much faster. This is why a complete, very good education as early as junior football important. Why Germany is currently the best football nation in Europe in the youth football? Why were the Germans this year, European champion in the U 17, U 19 and U 21? From U 12 team is trained methodically for years very well. All coaches have a good education. This is the key to success. The coaches therefore need a very good tactical education. The coaches have to know, how and what is the ball-oriented game.
First steps and best tactics for youth teams?
This is the 4-4-2 best suited. This tactic is called ball-oriented game. Wherever the ball is, the team has more players. If the team loses the ball, she gets it back quickly. Has the team the ball, they can be easily combined. This we learn from Bangkok Glass FC in the Junior Football Academy.
For our young players best, because many triangles formed. This is a good combination possible with the ball. Later, it is for the young players move easily other game systems ( 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-2-1 ).
This we learn:
1. In the Individual tactics.
2. In the Group tactics
3. In the Team tactics

So always from the easy to the difficult. The young players are in theory with DVD informed. And in the practice on the soccer field with exercises.

What qualities are needed by a good football coach?
He must have a plan. He must know that football is very complex. He must understand \"the big game\". And also, I think, that a good coach needs an imagination. So you put this imagination into young players mind. You create a chain reaction, which produces thinking players, and this is a wonderful thing to develop. It is also important to have simple communication. Talking too much is a big danger. Keep i simple, be brief, but be decisive.
 
Hans R. Emser
Bangkok Glass



It turned out to be an advertisement for Bangkok Glass FC Football Academy.
Whether the author was thinking in German and wrote it in English or wrote it in German and uses text translation, what was described in above message was understandable by its context but it is vague.
Even in a place identified as not a football country such as United States, you'll never get parents to commit their kids to football program with such cirliculum.

If this is what a football academy is offering to the youth in the kindom,  I call it the epitome of a lost in translation of Thailand football development.

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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 07:08:29 PM »

That's almost certainly a translate.google.com job.
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2009, 09:17:26 PM »

It is an email I received direct. I know there are errors, but I thought it was understandable and a decent read so didn't ask for permission to edit it.
it's from www.thaileaguefootball.com by the way.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 10:08:30 PM »

It is an email I received direct. I know there are errors, but I thought it was understandable and a decent read so didn't ask for permission to edit it.
it's from www.thaileaguefootball.com by the way.

Notice krub!

For people who are involve in football at any level, the piece is understood from its context.
But it also came in as I was about to address Thailand Football problems in a lighted heat context.
Like the one following this post.

Thanks for elaborating the source and reasons behind it.

Cheers!


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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2009, 10:23:07 PM »

That's almost certainly a translate.google.com job.

I suppose so.

Interestingly though, of all youth football coaching books out their, including in the western hermosphere,
only a handful containing Fundamental of Techniques an essential aspect of football leading to abilities to
perform those tactics often represented in series of arrows, dots and dash lines.

Without mastering Fundamental of Technique which is comparable to vocabulary in lagague, how is it then
the students will able to fully understand world and phrases(tactics) let alone putting them together in a beautiful
phrases or sentence with a high degree of fluency.

Conceptual football is useful only in a game room of 'play station' not in a league environment whereby actual
required movement, anticipation, decision making, adjustment and overall coordinated effort with teammates
having conceptual football as a foundation.


A lost in translation of Thailand football is deeper than just misperception of culture and spoken language.
It is rather sad to see even body language is also lost.

let me qualify that!
I don't recall who Thailand NT play but the play was involved a player in the backfield lofting the ball in the
direction of Leesaw who was pretty tightly marked.
-He made a check-in move towards the ball, went up in the air and heading the ball across his back
-Pipat exploded passed two defender to meet the ball, chested to his left and blasted the ball home.
This is a EPL's type of  goal which makes ELP exciting to watch. For Thai players or teams you can't live on that.

They are small and required more steps to cover the pitch. The 7 metres in front of Wayne Rooney would be reach
withing three and a half strides. That will take Dannda 5 steps and Winotai conceivably 6 and a half. Even with Bryan
Robson at his best to place the ball into play, the timing of average EPL players to get to the ball and Thai players to
reciprocate will be different.

It kills me when I see Thailand players upon gaining possession and sent a long ball up for grab, especially,
against taller team. Admit,  aerial supremacy is not one of our strenght.

Robson must have don't his homework and reallizes that a great number of Thai football fans are
sicked and tired of Thailand football recent International Footbal Interpretation. At a recent press conference,
Robson was quoted of saying,"I would like us to try to play patient passing game."

I almost fell off the chair when I read that part of his comment. Here he is with significant number of fans
of whom without much understanding of football in depth were expecting him to turn Thailand football into
an exciting brand of the Red Devil they recalled he had been a part of. Instead, Robson is talking Arrigo Sacci's football,
maintain possession through ball movemnt that is.

Of course, there are number of fans, here, that would also like to ride the Sapinard wave of ball possession game.

Mean time, a man with the look of Sara Brightman or even the newly rising Kathleen Jenkins but prefers motown on the
other side of the pond instead, have sreenly deliver international the music of his own to capture the imagination of the
local. Stever Darby articles found its way( Tongue ) to local die-hard fans old and young a like. The moods of those who have
read Darby's article at the moment are of those who fascinated by The Music of The Night by Andew Lloyd Weber rendition.

There are questions being tossed around, the questions and suggestions sush as;
1. 'ให้สตีฟ ดาร์บี้ ไปทำไทยพรีเมียร์ลีกได้มั๊ย?'
1. 'Can we have Steve Darby take over Thai Premier League?'

2. 'ทำไมไม่ให้สตีฟ ดาร์บี้ รับตำแหน่งเฮดโคชไปเลย เขาทำเองมาตลอดไม่ใช่เหรอ?'
2. 'why don't FAT appoint Darby as out head coach, hasn't he the person doing the job all along?

3. 'แต่งตั้งให้สตีฟ ดาร์บี้เป็นประธานพัฒนาเทคนิคได้มั๊ย?'
3. 'can we appoint him out director of technical development?'

There are lots and lots more, all positive. Only bad memories of recent political turmoils stopping
them short of offering him the PM post(thanks goodness for that)


Given all these comotion, Thailand football may need to resource to Football Hyper Mark-up Language to prevent A Lost In Translation.



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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2009, 10:24:30 PM »

Frankly speaking, I am not sure wheather it was translated via online service like google. It also could be that he wrote it by himself in english. And it might not be the best.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2009, 10:53:55 PM »

Frankly speaking, I am not sure wheather it was translated via online service like google. It also could be that he wrote it by himself in english. And it might not be the best.

Hi lokomotive,

Thanks for the note.

I must admit though that having wrote what I wrote, aside from the term tactic with may have been confuse with 'technique' or maybe it's a sailing point to use it. I have been using quite a bit of Shalke 04's training format with the youth I am working with.

Ball handling techniques including dribbling patterns such as the Zig-Zag, Tannenbaum, Blitz and Kamm to name a few.

So, to his credit, Hans R. Emser is correct in addressing Germany success.
I find that the teaching of dribbling and methods of changing direction of deutch Fusball Bund is an excellent one. It has been the signature of clinic to develope bidexterous youth footballers.


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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2009, 02:20:22 AM »

Frankly speaking, I am not sure wheather it was translated via online service like google. It also could be that he wrote it by himself in english. And it might not be the best.

Hi lokomotive,

Thanks for the note.

I must admit though that having wrote what I wrote, aside from the term tactic with may have been confuse with 'technique' or maybe it's a sailing point to use it. I have been using quite a bit of Shalke 04's training format with the youth I am working with.

Ball handling techniques including dribbling patterns such as the Zig-Zag, Tannenbaum, Blitz and Kamm to name a few.

So, to his credit, Hans R. Emser is correct in addressing Germany success.
I find that the teaching of dribbling and methods of changing direction of deutch Fusball Bund is an excellent one. It has been the signature of clinic to develope bidexterous youth footballers.




I showed this to somebody else in Germany. And he also mentioned, that at least we germans know what he ment. Cause our way of thinking, transalting is the same. Wich proofs it more as wrote by himself.

But be careful, with that kind of "German success". We just changed a lot in our youth football system recently. Cause after the very, for Germans, unsuccesful years during the European Champs and WC after 1990 until 2004 we felt that we do need to change a lot. We had to look to France, and copy a lot from them. But also, in my oppinion a lot of credit goes to Matthias Sammer. Since he beome the German Sportsdirector, he reall gave it all a structure. He was using his experiance from the former GDR Sport system , which has not been the worst.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2009, 12:10:22 AM »


Another charpter in Thailand football is the performance of the woemn's national team at Coal-Minerals Cup 2009 as they were defeated by the host coundtry national team.

Here are some fact and figures"
Population:
Thailand = 63 million
Vietnam = 85+ million

Age Officially Registration of Women Footballers:
Thailand = 13
Vietnam = 16

Number of Teams for youth 16 and Under:
Thailand = 24
Vietnam = 10

Number of Teams over 16-Adults:
Thailand: 29 teams
Vietnam: 6 teams


Thailand soccer teams and players are over populated and under develop.
So many team, so many competitions with so little time to develop.
Most importantly, have to clue of how things are done or what are the possibility beyond geographical and cultural borders.

Coincidently, FAT's head happen to also be Chairman of FIFA's Women's Football Development. How pathetic that is!


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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2009, 09:04:41 AM »


But be careful, with that kind of "German success". We just changed a lot in our youth football system recently. Cause after the very, for Germans, unsuccesful years during the European Champs and WC after 1990 until 2004 we felt that we do need to change a lot. We had to look to France, and copy a lot from them. But also, in my oppinion a lot of credit goes to Matthias Sammer. Since he beome the German Sportsdirector, he reall gave it all a structure. He was using his experiance from the former GDR Sport system , which has not been the worst.

This may help explain something in Japan. In early years I felt Japan was going German with players from Germany were also brougth into Japan football league. Then, three years ago, JFA launched its National Football Academy using France Football School as its model. 


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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2009, 09:21:58 AM »

a couple of points re the german model

i lived in germany for a while and followed the game quite closely. it is telling that a fair number of ossis were able to move seamlessly into the national team after reunification

the team seemed to stagnate for a while with the national team squad aging and very little in the way of young players coming through. maybe loko will recall the likes of baron (hsv) and karl heinz pfingler (sp) of whom high hopes were expected. and then there is the german who moved to italy while very young and progressed there while the rest of the counbtry knew nothing about him

both factors pointed to a dearth of young talent coming through in germany and this was further illustrated in a recent copy of kicker sonderheft...note the large numbers of foreigners compared to just 15 years before

a rising middle class just ain tgood for football!

http://premierleaguenonsense.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-happened-to-working-class-hero.html
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2009, 04:42:49 PM »

a couple of points re the german model

i lived in germany for a while and followed the game quite closely. it is telling that a fair number of ossis were able to move seamlessly into the national team after reunification

the team seemed to stagnate for a while with the national team squad aging and very little in the way of young players coming through. maybe loko will recall the likes of baron (hsv) and karl heinz pfingler (sp) of whom high hopes were expected. and then there is the german who moved to italy while very young and progressed there while the rest of the counbtry knew nothing about him

both factors pointed to a dearth of young talent coming through in germany and this was further illustrated in a recent copy of kicker sonderheft...note the large numbers of foreigners compared to just 15 years before

a rising middle class just ain tgood for football!

http://premierleaguenonsense.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-happened-to-working-class-hero.html


Who is karl heinz pfingler? I never heard about him.

Regarding the link, I cannot agree to this at all. We still are the biggest association in football with 6 Million members. And most of them are playing football actively in clubs. The problem was our youth system. That we needed to change. And yes of course to integrate young talented players with foreign background. We didnt care if they wanted to play for their parents country instead for us. And for KLose, Podolski, and espacially now Ozil, I am glad they decided to play for germany.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 07:46:46 AM »


I believe that what was said on the blog in regarding to Singapore is valid.
The same goes to Thialand as most of players appearently are of north-eastern region background
with occasionally talents from the south emerged.

For number of Thai football players upto this point, football is a way of getting a higher education in
a perceived higher satandard. It can also open up doors to opportunities not neccessarily confining to
just in football.

The practice of the past should be abandon and replace with quality of regional football development
program starting from a remote communities. The Kingdom has a bandant of qualified individual
to conduct classes and clinic to benefit of such inovative approach but they currently not being deployed
but cluttered and over populated a few clubs without precise direction.
 


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