AFC's Vision Asia

[bon-nirnam]

Anyone out there care to comment on  'Vision Asia'?

[Vinnie]

I've read everything there is to read about Vision Asia and yet I still don't really understand what it is! The most recent activity regarding Vision Asia was at AFC House in Kuala Lumpur where a 'Vision Asia Thailand Workshop' was held. Several officials from the FAT, Chonburi province and Chonburi F.C were present, and it was decided that 'Vision Asia Thailand' was to be "launched" in Chonburi. So what does that mean exactly?

Worawi says that Vision Asia is like a "trouble-shooter" for the problems in Asian football, and that it can help with the standard of refereeing and with the administrative side of football. It is also hoped that regional FA's can be established and that true grass roots football in rural areas can be encouraged.

All noble aims, but my problem is that I just don't understand how Vision Asia can make these things happen. I mean, what exactly is VA? Is it just the AFC giving some money to the FAT on the proviso that it is spent on these projects? Or is it advice and support but no extra finance?
As I said at the start, that's my problem with VA; having read everything about it, I don't really know what it is.

[bon-nirnam]

I am as confused as you are in trying to find the real definition of VA.

I hate to say it but it by just Mohamed Hammam's justification of his employment.

AFC's head said at the Vision Thailand conference that having football development of the country concentrated in the capital is not a way of developing football in the country. He added to the effect that FAT should implement its football development by supplying proper training to coaches, referees as well as administrators at villages, districts and provinces (sound like Chairman Mao's plan ). This sort of approach is what industrialized countries such as the US and Canada are using, I doubt it will work in Thailand consider its socio-economic and socio-politic situation.

To make it even more mind boggling, Worawi said Chonburi will be a pilot project in hope that other provinces will see the benefit and take similar steps as addressed by Worawi would be just the opposite to what Hamman has address as the solution. Where will the butget coming from, though?

Now, if VA is a football developmental project whereby AFC receives fund from FIFA to launch a football development program and they came up with VA for selected nations then Worawi should jump at the gun as it is an opportunity to do something good for FAT at other people expenses. 

Although, I don't think it is the right approach as it could take till the year 2552 for Chiang Rai see the benefit of such porgram but only to find out the porgram has ceased since 2014. 

Note: Where I am at (in the US) grassroots development begins at U5 as parents organized afterschool program. The program is exactly the same as what Hammam had envision but that is an affluent community. Football or Soccer, as they called it, is an upper middle class sport in the US. The higher the levels their children play; the more money parents paying out of their posckets.

[asiafootball]

A good program initiated to improve football development through grassroot level and other aspects such as administration, which I think most ASEAN countries need.  However, there should be continuity within the FA to practise what they have learnt and of course engaging competent people for implementation.

Thailand has good base for players but things can improve off-the-field.

[SriRachaShark]

I'm also scratching my head about this

I think the sooner that FAT hand over the running of Thai football to the contributors on this messageboard the better

[bon-nirnam]

I'm also scratching my head about this

I think the sooner that FAT hand over the running of Thai football to the contributors on this messageboard the better

I am afraid forum contrubutors are too idealistic in general, what FAT needs is a pragmatic type.
Above sentence combine with recent signing of Peter Reid as Thailand's new boss nearly make
Worawi fit in, isn't it?

Let me be clear about how I feel about FAT head. You sir, aint no hero of mine.
(English is my second laguage there might be punctuation error somewhere )

[asiafootball]

Lets start a new FAT !!! 

[druryfire]

Lets start a new FAT !!! 

Your trying to start our very own coup. I like it!

Maybe we could set up a football league of our own, just like the SAT Pro League a few years back. And then FIFA will get involved, Thailand get band, but we will have a voice.

If we start our own governing body of Thai football, what would we call it?

Suggestions please:

FATTY?
FAT2?

[Fenceman]

Just to clarify about Vision Asia. VA is not funded by FIFA. It is also not about keeping president's in employment. The AFC president is elected for four-year terms. VA is a service provided by AFC for national and provincial associations who request it. AFC doesn't go into countries and demand that they take it up. If associations want VA, AFC will help out. They will provide associations with best practices in administration, coaching, refereeing, leagues etc using models from some of the leading countries in the world. If countries don't want it, they don't have to take it. For instance, now all associations must adopt FIFA Standard statutes so that each association is democratic and fair. Vision Asia can help in this. If they need coaching help, AFC can show them how to set up coach education and accreditation systems. They can show associations how best to run a league. For instance, provincial leagues have started up in China, Iran, India and other places, with the emphasis on clubs who have their own stadium etc. VA is simply a service AFC offers that associations can take advantage of, if they want to. Thanks

[SriRachaShark]

That's very helpful and informative, Fenceman. Thank you. You seem to speak with great authority on the subject. Are you in any way involved in the Vision Asia project?

[bon-nirnam]

Fenceman,

Welcome to the forum!

Thank you for providing informative answers to questions I raised.

It is quite nice to hear it from someone within the agency.

Like your reflective log-in by the way 

[bon-nirnam]

In May 2008, Australia Football Federation took a leading step of their owns when she launched Small-Sided Game across the nation.
The prgram aiming at developing U6 -U12 footballers through Small-Sided Game.

According to AFF's website, the neatly weaved 15 pages handbook program drawn 60,000 youth to the program.

Wow! That's the epitome of vision. 

[Vinnie]

I don't want to over-analyse this but I still don't fully get it. For example; Fenceman, you said that VA provides "best practices...in coaching". So does that mean that coaches are provided to VA Countries, or coaches from Thailand will attend coaching seminars or sessions, or coaches in Thailand will be provided with coaching manuals?
 There still seems to be a general air of vagueness which I'm having trouble clearing.

[druryfire]

KUALA LUMPUR: Vision Asia has scored a major victory in Thailand with the formation of the Chonburi Football Association (CFA).

Chonburi was selected as a pilot provincial project for Vision Thailand. However, the province lacked an elected governing body, instead relying on the regional sports authority to manage football.

The government has now approved the formation of the CFA, which gives AFC’s Vision Asia team the green light to press ahead with development plans for the province.

“This is a major step forward for Chonburi. Now we have a recognised body to work with in terms of planning and implementing our goals,” said Vision Thailand’s Kaita Sugihara.

Vision Thailand involves the Football Association of Thailand as well as the CFA, which will develop football at regional level with a provincial league and courses for coaches and referees.

Thailand is one of 12 active Vision Asia programmes, which are aimed at raising the level of football at all levels, including administration, coaching, grassroots & youth, referees and marketing.

[bon-nirnam]

Thanks druryfire for share the news of Vision Thailand progression.

But I still questioning a slow pace of Football Association of Thailand reguarding this project.

While what is happening in Chonburi is exactly on AFC's Vision Asia's target, what abouth three other regions?

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to launch such operation in each of the four regions grannting the same previlege to other selected provinces.
Each selected province of their regions would compete for success and that should be a win win situation for Thailand football development.







 

[bon-nirnam]

Is it just me or is this something someone need to bring to AFC's attention.

This link, http://www.the-afc.com/en/handbooks will take you to AFC's Youth Handdbook.

On page 31 under Final Youth Phase Training Session - 2.Skill Development , there is an illustration of squential of players and ball movement exercise that is a bit out of sequence.

Perhaps that's what these three devoted officials are trying to figure out the arrows.
They should get up and give it a try since they have the exact Xs.   

[SriRachaShark]

I think that this has come about through Vision Asia.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_news.pl?id=228218

[bon-nirnam]

I think that this has come about through Vision Asia.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_news.pl?id=228218

Appearently, it is part of locally Vision Thailand under the guideline of Vision Asia.
But, what is so shameful about admitting that we are indeed lacking behind in football development?

"The league, which is a pilot scheme approved by the AFC and FIFA , will start on October 18th. The season is due to run until 27th March, 2010."

I recalled Psychology101 I took in college a long long while ago to fullfill my General Education Cirliculum.
This is called Vision Denial! 

[Vinnie]

"The league, which is a pilot scheme approved by the AFC and FIFA , will start on October 18th. The season is due to run until 27th March, 2010."

And the champions will enter Division 2. Does that mean Div 2 2010 will start in late March immediately after the Chonburi League or will the winners of the Chonburi Lge be entering Div 2 2011?

[SriRachaShark]

"The league, which is a pilot scheme approved by the AFC and FIFA , will start on October 18th. The season is due to run until 27th March, 2010."

And the champions will enter Division 2. Does that mean Div 2 2010 will start in late March immediately after the Chonburi League or will the winners of the Chonburi Lge be entering Div 2 2011?

You're on your own there I'm afraid

[bon-nirnam]

"The league, which is a pilot scheme approved by the AFC and FIFA , will start on October 18th. The season is due to run until 27th March, 2010."

And the champions will enter Division 2. Does that mean Div 2 2010 will start in late March immediately after the Chonburi League or will the winners of the Chonburi Lge be entering Div 2 2011?

You're on your own there I'm afraid

I wonder if they do have 'Exel for Dummy' in Thai? I will donate a copy to FAT

I once had 72 youth players from 11-Aside teams devided to play 7-Aside with a roster of 12 players each.
Players can make a request to have two old teammates with them.
Obviously, some of them request the same teammates but they can't be on the same team.
Second criteria was to match players from the same school as they would eventually be on the same school team.
The third criteria was prefered practice days. I fullfull every players request using Excel program.

Setting criteria for FAT in this situation is a much simpler task. however, they should have a copy of 'Excel for Dummy' anyway in my oponion. 

[Vinnie]

You're on your own there I'm afraid

Not at all. I'm sure the FAT have got it all in hand!

[bon-nirnam]

Vision Asia: One Percent of Seperation!

In 2001 Philipines Football Federation received the following fund from FIFA & AFC
Goal Program =$400,000
FAP(Financial Assistant Program) $66,123
Total =$466,123
They are for building head quarter and other infrastructure neccessity

Then in 2007 FIFA approve another wave of funds for PFF
Goal II Porgram = $400,000
FAP = $20,000
Total = $420,000
What is not showing here is $120,000 fund from AID27 from Vision Asia to pay for coaches
The money from Goal II and FAP were suppose to go to the construction of rugular size artificial turf field, national training center, development of football and futsal league as well as youth football development. instead, they went for upgrading existing head quater with coaches and the Sea Games bronz medal women's futsal team who advanced to pay for the trip out of their pockets leaving no reimbursement and a bout 20 coaches unpaid for their works.

here is the link to PFF's balance sheet 
http://www.fifa.com/mm/goalproject/PHI_ENG.pdf


FAT received similar package but seemingly having trouble balancing the sheet.
Take a look at the pie-chart and see if you could help them. 
http://www.fifa.com/mm/goalproject/tha_eng.pdf

[druryfire]

Mohammed Bin Hamman shoudl be coming to Chonburi shortly to open up the Chonburi league.

Anyone got any chance of grilling him and his cronies?

[bon-nirnam]

haha... Chonburi is the only town in the Kingdom to benefit from Hammam pet project at the moment.

Don't mistaken him for the leader of local governing body, he is the head of The AFC Empire!

He makes Gengis Kahn appeared an ordinary man in certain aspects.


 

[druryfire]

Exactly why i ask if anyone fancies grilling him. He has all the answers, maybe local journalists could ask him why he chose Chonburi, will he move this project anywhere else? Why does it afterall just have to stay in Chonburi province?

Recently they have had referee get togethers, but he could use Vision Asia to have manager get togethers for the region, or even in the South of Thailand bordering Malaysia to get different input from regional referees / managers. In every country he has opened up Vision Asia, he has put it in small parts. It's Ok saying we are doing this that the other in this and that country, but who is he helping? He's not helping Thailand, he's helping Chonburi. Wher's the help for all the other provinces?

If they kick start a league, they don't get the prize money offered by AFC, so where is the incentive for them to do something if they can sit around and wait, possible wait for something that will never happen

[SriRachaShark]

I'll try and get to talk with him. The opening Chonburi League fixture is scheduled to take place immediately before our last match v Thai Port. I'm assuming that he'll be there.

As for Chonburi benefitting. My understanding is that Chonburi was chosen because of its good record and the forward thinking of the people who run the sport in the province. What you must remember is that, until this season, Chonburi was streets ahead of all the other Thai provinces when it came to football. And, at the time scheme was first floated, nobody else was remotely ready to have taken it all on.

It's now up to those involved to make sure that it's a success. Then the rest of the country will follow and reap the rewards.

[lokomotive]

I'll try and get to talk with him. The opening Chonburi League fixture is scheduled to take place immediately before our last match v Thai Port. I'm assuming that he'll be there.

As for Chonburi benefitting. My understanding is that Chonburi was chosen because of its good record and the forward thinking of the people who run the sport in the province. What you must remember is that, until this season, Chonburi was streets ahead of all the other Thai provinces when it came to football. And, at the time scheme was first floated, nobody else was remotely ready to have taken it all on.

It's now up to those involved to make sure that it's a success. Then the rest of the country will follow and reap the rewards.

uiui, SRS is now taken on the big guys.

[SriRachaShark]

Some news for anyone interested in Vision Asia, especially Vision Thailand and the Chonburi Project.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_news.pl?news=315834

[bon-nirnam]

Exactly why i ask if anyone fancies grilling him. He has all the answers, maybe local journalists could ask him why he chose Chonburi, will he move this project anywhere else? Why does it afterall just have to stay in Chonburi province?

Recently they have had referee get togethers, but he could use Vision Asia to have manager get togethers for the region, or even in the South of Thailand bordering Malaysia to get different input from regional referees / managers. In every country he has opened up Vision Asia, he has put it in small parts. It's Ok saying we are doing this that the other in this and that country, but who is he helping? He's not helping Thailand, he's helping Chonburi. Wher's the help for all the other provinces?

If they kick start a league, they don't get the prize money offered by AFC, so where is the incentive for them to do something if they can sit around and wait, possible wait for something that will never happen

For football sake, let me explain circumstances leading to National Football Development landed in the lap of Chonburi.

A little over two decade ago when Chonburi rose it the peak of its power politically financially and otherwise, it was the resource for FAT operation. FAT was one of positive projection for its backer with film industry being the first to have been the smoking screens.

Internally, the leadership at FAT was Chonburi's boys. That was the time in which the current FAT's head was an intern. Outside the Kingdom, however, datoship was rewarded to FAT's head in exchange for unconditional support to Malaysia to run AFC.

With the rise of the middle-easterner namely Bin Hammam the region has seen Malaysian Empire of AFC tumbling down. There is no doubt that FAT was sided with Bin Hammam but how they manage to have Malaysia to host Vision Thailand is beyond anyone's imagination.
We are the only country under Vison Asia Project to not celebrate Vision Asia on our own soil. In fact, we are the only one who didnot celebrate at all. There is a reason to this, it has to do with decades of living in denial(of its actual football status)

Maintaining FAT's Power:
Wittaya who was working for Chonburi was seen by huge number of Thai football fans as someone who could bring real football development to the Kingdom. Although realistically it will be dxifficult as his past experiences, especially, in early years of coaching could come back to haunt him. Nonetheless, he is seen as threatening to the throne and stabitility so best thing to do is shipping him off to overseas. This, in my opion, is a colaborative effort between FAT and Chonburi. There are lots more but these should be enough to give you some ideas of why certain things are handled the way they are. 

I'll try and get to talk with him. The opening Chonburi League fixture is scheduled to take place immediately before our last match v Thai Port. I'm assuming that he'll be there.

As for Chonburi benefitting. My understanding is that Chonburi was chosen because of its good record and the forward thinking of the people who run the sport in the province. What you must remember is that, until this season, Chonburi was streets ahead of all the other Thai provinces when it came to football. And, at the time scheme was first floated, nobody else was remotely ready to have taken it all on.

It's now up to those involved to make sure that it's a success. Then the rest of the country will follow and reap the rewards.

Yea, Worawee is such visionary, charismatica, optimistic and lunatic leader. He has tremendous problem mandating clubs to follow league's rules and regulation, what make him think that National Football Development will happen at individual province own accord.

[SriRachaShark]

Thanks for the insight, bon-nirman. As a keen student of history I always enjoy reading how the past has shaped the present.

I've added more to the site today. This section concerns itself with the establishment of the Chonburi FA.

Link : http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[bon-nirnam]

Thanks for the insight, bon-nirman. As a keen student of history I always enjoy reading how the past has shaped the present.

I've added more to the site today. This section concerns itself with the establishment of the Chonburi FA.

Link : http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

Hi SRS,

Thanks for excellent info on your site.

I just notice there were lots of typos and grammatical errors on my previous post.
My apology for not brushing it up before posting it.

[SriRachaShark]

Thanks for the kind comments, bon-nirman. I think that the document shows what a great job the AFC and the Chonburi football administrators are doing to help raise the standards in the area.

It's very easy for us to criticise the game's governing bodies over things like kick off times, lack of organization, poor referees, the calendar etc etc but there are an awful lot of people who are working tirelessly behind the scenes to try and improve things. Keep up the good work everyone.


You can read the next installment here :

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_news.pl?news=317287

[SriRachaShark]

Latest section of the report :

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_news.pl?news=317717

[SriRachaShark]

The second part of Clubs & Competitions , Clubs, has been added. Enjoy.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[SriRachaShark]

Goal 2.1 To Introduce An Elite Provincial League can be read by clicking on the link. Thank you.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[SriRachaShark]

VA-VT-CP Goal 2.2 To Develop The Clubs For The Provincial League

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[SriRachaShark]

Section Three - Grassroots & Youth can be read here :

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[SriRachaShark]

Goal 3.1 is now up on the site.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[SriRachaShark]

And so is Goal 3.2

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[SriRachaShark]

Latest instalment :

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[bon-nirnam]

I guess we have got to start somewhere and get on with it.

Vision Chonburi league with 11 teams each representing their respect District sound like a good idea for football business namely marketing. But Football development should begin at the grassroots level.

AFC Development Peramid:



As you can see from above competion peramid that kids in Asia are already 5-6years behind kids in industrialized countries.

Also the statement of Vision Chonburi indicates, we currently have four youth teams.
I guess they probably U12, U14, U15/U16 and U18. Question is where do they get competitive
matches on aregular basis so that they can really develop to play top notch football with their peers. Please don't tell me they play older players with less skills as you know where that will lead them.

People who do not have a clue about youth football develpoment:
Just because you and dribble the ball, pass the ball and receive the ball well and even managed to shoot the ball like a fine striker, it does not qualify you to be a youth football coach. A former striker and Thailand International standout found out the hard way, last year.
He took the so called Thailand National U15 to Singapore and got crush. At the end he blame kids for lacking of fighting spirits. That! I called it, 'coaching in disgrace of youth football'.
How could you possibly say that to those kids who believe in you. I guess until the adult learn to admid the mistake and the failure the kids will never learn anything of value.

Going back to Vision Chonburi as it is currently known, with its 10 district and 1 sub-District that comprising of 92 Tambols, 689 villages and the total of 1,040,865 head counts, how many of the 1,040,865 are kids in their grassroots spectrum and what is the plan for them.

Chonburi seems to boast about its ability to attract kids from outside it juriduction to the area for if football draw. This is just the opposit of what the ultimate goal of Vision Asia. Vision Asia has and the late Chairman Mao has one thing in common in that they both endorsing the 'Forrest Surrounding the City' approach.

As for you football development in Chonburi, until they have a U6-U14 competition
of a 10-12 week season (should be more than one season each calendar year), we probably will have to call it GinSeng Level not a Grassroots.

[SriRachaShark]

Thanks bon-nirman. I always enjoy reading your comments about this. It's good to get the perspective of someone who is totally objective and has a knowledge of the way things work.

Here's the latest addition.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[SriRachaShark]

Section 4 - Coach Education

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[SriRachaShark]

Section Four : Goal 4.1

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[charade_2010]

Vision Thai targets Phuket, Khon Kaen

Kuala Lumpur: AFC is to send a delegation to Phuket and Khon Kaen next month in the hope of expanding the Vision Thailand programme to these two provinces.

With Chonburi recently launched as a pilot project in Thailand, AFC and the Thai FA are hoping that Phuket and Khon Kaen can also benefit. The trip is planned for the last week of April.

In February, an AFC delegation visited Bangkok to brief representatives from the two provinces on the Vision Asia concept, its implementation and policies.

The VA team also met with representatives of the Thai FA and Chonburi FA, who agreed to the Project Chonburi activities for 2010/11.

Vision Asia is the AFC’s plan to raise the standard of football across the continent at all levels.

The programme takes in 11 elements of football development, including administration, coaching, refereeing, clubs and competitions .

[bon-nirnam]

So, it will soon be three provinces. Hm let me see... Vision Three Blind Mice, perhaps?

Here we go...
"three blind mice see how they run... three blind mice see how they run...
they all run after the farmer's wife...." he he...



vinnie needs to practice this...

[SriRachaShark]

Goal 4.3 Develop New Coaches Through The AFC Coach Education Programme

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[SriRachaShark]

Latest updates :

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/chonburifc/club_bespoke.pl?page_select=6172

[bon-nirnam]

Thanks SRS...


I can't wait to see the development gets started at these levels below, however.





When we see U8-U13 league having the youth playing 10-12 weeks season in a league environment
(hope fully twice a year with special tournaments in between) then we can say, 'yes, this is grassroots & youth development'.