The world's strongest leagues in 2009: First trends

[lokomotive]

This List was just newly released by the IFFHS, according to that list, TPL can be found on place 60, shared with Oman. But in front of a few European Leagues!!

The complete list can be found here:

http://www.iffhs.de/?b6e20fa3002f70d00ee2d17f7370eff3702bb1c2bb0e

[charade_2010]

Thank you , it's a cool website .
TPL is just the 5th interesting league in ASEAN !   

[TPF]

The classification of the best leagues of the world is made objectively without any outside influence of any sort. We follow the criteria that the level of performance of a league is reflected by the best classified teams of that league who in turn usually represent their country in international club competitions. If one looks at the football power-houses of the world, one notices that regularly 4 or 5 clubs of their leagues are always competing in continental competitions. By adding the points won in all competitions by the five best placed clubs of each league, we have the points for the country which in turn helps to establish a fair classification

I don't give that list any credence at all. It's total nonsense. So you gain points for winning a competition, but surely the value of the competion needs to be rated. It's much harder to win the European Champions League for example, then it is to win the African Champions League or the Copa Libratedores.

The A-League in 98th place?? The Brazilian League in 2nd place?? Dont make me laugh...It's a league for kids and players who are ending their careers!

Are the Hong Kong and Indonesian Leagues really that much better then the Thai League??

I honestly don't believe this sort of thing is quantifiable, as there are too many variables to take into consideration.

[SriRachaShark]

From that website :

The classification of the best leagues of the world is made objectively without any outside influence of any sort. We follow the criteria that the level of performance of a league is reflected by the best classified teams of that league who in turn usually represent their country in international club competitions. If one looks at the football power-houses of the world, one notices that regularly 4 or 5 clubs of their leagues are always competing in continental competitions. By adding the points won in all competitions by the five best placed clubs of each league, we have the points for the country which in turn helps to establish a fair classification. It is important to note that only the yearly classification is representative, since all competitions move along the whole season and over twelve months, we have an objective view of the best. This system has been used since 1991, and it is recognized today as the most precise in rating the leagues of the world.

All letters and cards of appreciation for raising the TPL up to these dizzy heights (only a few places behind Scotland) should be addressed to:

 Chonburi FC
Srinthorn Stadium
Assumption College
SriRacha
Chonburi
THAILAND

 

[TPF]

We follow the criteria that the level of performance of a league is reflected by the best classified teams of that league who in turn usually represent their country in international club competitions.

This backs up my point! How can one team be representative of the whole league?

If you win the AFC Cup this year I expect to see the Thai League in the top 20 of next years list .

[TPF]

World Club Rankings – Top 25 Clubs in the World – July 20, 2009

1. Barcelona (Esp) (1)
2. Manchester United (Eng) (2)
3. Chelsea (Eng) (3)
4. Arsenal (Eng) (4)
5. Liverpool (Eng) (5)
6. Inter Milan (Ita) (6)
7. VfL Wolfsburg (Ger) (7)
8. Real Madrid <8>
9. AC Milan (Ita) (9)
10. Porto (Por) (10)
11. Atletico Mineiro (Bra) (18)
12. Bordeaux (Fra) (11)
13. Bayern Munich (Ger) (12)
14. AZ Alkmaar (Ned) (13)
15. Juventus (Ita) (14)
16. Gremio (Bra) (21)
17. Marseille (Fra) (15)
18. Sevilla (Esp) (16)
19. Palmeiras (Bra) (NR)
20. Rangers (Sco) (19)
21. Atletico de Madrid (Esp) (20)
22. VfB Stuttgart (Ger) (22)
23. Sporting CP (Por) (23)
24. Estudiantes de La Plata (Arg) (24)
25. Everton (Eng) (25)

[Vinnie]

Stamford must be 26th.

[TPF]

Stamford must be 26th.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were! Did you win anything last season?

[Vinnie]

Stamford must be 26th.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were! Did you win anything last season?

You mean you don't know!?!? We won the Lincs Senior Shield against Boston United at York Street, 4-1. Wasn't it televised? 

[TPF]

You mean you don't know!?!? We won the Lincs Senior Shield against Boston United at York Street, 4-1. Wasn't it televised?

Thats a good win against the once mighty Boston Utd! I'm sure in those rankings, the Lincolnshire Senior Shield is worth as many points as the Champions League . Excuse my ignorance, (my limited non-league knowledge only goes as far as Blue Square North) what League are Stamford in?

[jakartacasual]

malaysia the strongest in our region? and this after a season with no foreigners...

[Vinnie]

You mean you don't know!?!? We won the Lincs Senior Shield against Boston United at York Street, 4-1. Wasn't it televised?

Thats a good win against the once mighty Boston Utd! I'm sure in those rankings, the Lincolnshire Senior Shield is worth as many points as the Champions League . Excuse my ignorance, (my limited non-league knowledge only goes as far as Blue Square North) what League are Stamford in?

Unibond Divison 1 south (step 4 - two levels below Blue Square North) for the time being. Owing to our central location we've played in north, south, east and west divisions! We've shared divisions with teams from Devon and teams from Cumbria over the years!

[TPF]

Unibond Divison 1 south (step 4 - two levels below Blue Square North) for the time being. Owing to our central location we've played in north, south, east and west divisions! We've shared divisions with teams from Devon and teams from Cumbria over the years!

I've got a mate who is a big Worksop Town fan, and I think they have been shunted round the leagues a little bit, due to their location. The nearest non-league sides to me are probably Cammell Lairds and Vauxhall Motors....and Chester City now they been relegated! Have Stamford ever been in the same league as Lairds or Vauxhall?   
 
 

[Natt]

I can't beleive Hong Kong is ahead of Thailand!!!
We are a lot better than them, teams like Happy Valley can easily get trashed by Chonburi when they are one of Hong Kong's best clubs.

[Vinnie]

Unibond Divison 1 south (step 4 - two levels below Blue Square North) for the time being. Owing to our central location we've played in north, south, east and west divisions! We've shared divisions with teams from Devon and teams from Cumbria over the years!

I've got a mate who is a big Worksop Town fan, and I think they have been shunted round the leagues a little bit, due to their location. The nearest non-league sides to me are probably Cammell Lairds and Vauxhall Motors....and Chester City now they been relegated! Have Stamford ever been in the same league as Lairds or Vauxhall? 

No, but they were in the same division as Marine and Prescot Cables in the 07-08 season.

[TPF]

No, but they were in the same division as Marine and Prescot Cables in the 07-08 season.

 
I've been to Marine a few times, they always used to be up near the top of the Unibond Premier (as it was then). They seem to have fallen away after Roly Howard (who managed the club for 33 years ) retired.

I just had a quick look at stamfordafc.net, and it seems you will be in the same league as Cammell Laird next season!

The name of your manager (Tuncay Korkmaz) rings a bell , his name is obviously more memorable then his playing ability, as I've no idea who he played for!?

[Vinnie]

The name of your manager (Tuncay Korkmaz) rings a bell , his name is obviously more memorable then his playing ability, as I've no idea who he played for!?

Ramsey, Cambridge City, Stamford, Spalding, W*sbech, Yaxley, Deeping Rangers etc etc. Sure you're not getting him confused with someone else?!

[SriRachaShark]

Ramsey, Cambridge City, Stamford, Spalding, W*sbech, Yaxley, Deeping Rangers, Prescott Cables, Vauxhall Motors, Stamford.

I'm sure that lokomotive didn't imagine such teams would be the main topic of conversation on this thread when he started it 

[TPF]

The name of your manager (Tuncay Korkmaz) rings a bell , his name is obviously more memorable then his playing ability, as I've no idea who he played for!?

Ramsey, Cambridge City, Stamford, Spalding, W*sbech, Yaxley, Deeping Rangers etc etc. Sure you're not getting him confused with someone else?!

I'm pretty sure he was mentioned on the Danny Baker & Danny Kelly football show on BBC Radio 5. Someone uploaded 30 hours of the old shows, and i've got them on my i-pod. It's great to listen to. They used to get people to send in footballers names that sounded funny. Both Baker & Kelly found the name Tuncay Korkmaz hilarious for some reason....It's nowhere near as funny as Gerry Slagboom, Bongo Christ, Segar Bastard, Ars Bandeet, Semkeyno Jam-Jam and Eggbert Barwinkle 

[TPF]

I'm sure that lokomotive didn't imagine such teams would be the main topic of conversation on this thread when he started it 

Yeah Loko,

Can you change the title to "worlds least strongest leagues in 2009" 

[SriRachaShark]

The name of your manager (Tuncay Korkmaz) rings a bell , his name is obviously more memorable then his playing ability, as I've no idea who he played for!?

Ramsey, Cambridge City, Stamford, Spalding, W*sbech, Yaxley, Deeping Rangers etc etc. Sure you're not getting him confused with someone else?!

I'm pretty sure he used to be mentioned on the Danny Baker & Danny Kelly football show on BBC Radio 5. Someone uploaded 30 hours of the old shows, and i've got them on my i-pod, it's great to listen to. They used to get people to send in footballers names that sounded funny. Both Baker & Kelly found the name Tuncay Korkmaz hilarious for some reason....It's nowhere near as funny as Gerry Slagboom, Bongo Christ, Segar Bastard, Ars Bandeet, Semkeyno Jam-Jam and Eggbert Barwinkle  

Do you remember the Baker/Kelly German players names conversation? Hilarious!!!

My dad used to tape all the shows and send them to me when I first moved to Thailand. I've still got a pile of them somewhere.

Where did you find the 30hours of stuff? On the Internet Treehouse?

[TPF]

The name of your manager (Tuncay Korkmaz) rings a bell , his name is obviously more memorable then his playing ability, as I've no idea who he played for!?

Ramsey, Cambridge City, Stamford, Spalding, W*sbech, Yaxley, Deeping Rangers etc etc. Sure you're not getting him confused with someone else?!

I'm pretty sure he used to be mentioned on the Danny Baker & Danny Kelly football show on BBC Radio 5. Someone uploaded 30 hours of the old shows, and i've got them on my i-pod, it's great to listen to. They used to get people to send in footballers names that sounded funny. Both Baker & Kelly found the name Tuncay Korkmaz hilarious for some reason....It's nowhere near as funny as Gerry Slagboom, Bongo Christ, Segar Bastard, Ars Bandeet, Semkeyno Jam-Jam and Eggbert Barwinkle  

Do you remember the Baker/Kelly German players names conversation? Hilarious!!!

My dad used to tape all the shows and send them to me when I first moved to Thailand. I've still got a pile of them somewhere.

Where did you find the 30hours of stuff? On the Internet Treehouse?

I think I got them off rapidshare. The forum on the internet treehouse doesn't work anymore, but I've found this link, which should help you download them.

http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?page_id=1380

It was the best football show on the radio by miles! They'd never get away with saying some of that stuff these days. Even though the shows are 10 years old, it's still fantastic to listen to.

Danny Kelly now works for Talksport and he's on from 7pm-10pm Mon-Fri, and Danny Baker was doing 5 live 606 on Tuesday evenings. As of Septmeber he will be on Saturday mornings from 9am-11am (on BBC Radio 5). I'm sure you'll be able to get it on the 'BBC Listen again' service.

[SriRachaShark]

Thanks, mate. I'll check it out. I caught all the recent episodes on the BBC. Fraser Digby's Washbag is right up there with some of the classic DB moments. : )

Somewhere in my mum's loft I have a pile of Sniffin' Glue punk fanzines that Danny Baker was partly responsible for in '76 and '77. Probably worth a fortune now!

[TPF]

Thanks, mate. I'll check it out. I caught all the recent episodes on the BBC. Fraser Digby's Washbag is right up there with some of the classic DB moments. : )

Somewhere in my mum's loft I have a pile of Sniffin' Glue punk fanzines that Danny Baker was partly responsible for in '76 and '77. Probably worth a fortune now!

The new shows are a pale comparison of the ones that B&K did in the 90's, but they are still much better then the usual drivel on Five Live.

The Fraser Digby washbag thing was very good 

[lokomotive]

I'm sure that lokomotive didn't imagine such teams would be the main topic of conversation on this thread when he started it 

Yeah Loko,

Can you change the title to "worlds least strongest leagues in 2009" 

Indeed, I couldn't imagine that. But it is ok, youcan spend me some beers in Thaialnd next time.

[TPF]

Indeed, I couldn't imagine that. But it is ok, you can spend me some beers in Thailand next time. 

 

Yeah no worries Loko, i'm sure SRS will buy you a few Chang beers on my behalf
 

[Vinnie]

Baker and Kelly shows of the nineties were legendary. 606, Alan Green et al are absolutely mind numbing by comparison.
They once did a feature on homemade memorabillia; rosettes, tin foil covered FA Cup cut outs and the like. A Dundee United fan phoned in and said that he once made a giant plywood bowtie , painted orange and black of course. As there was no way of adhering it to the top of his shirt, he had to just hold it up to his neck using a stick whch he had glued on the back. There was also a long-running feature with a young lady who was sleeping around with Premiership players.

[TPF]

Baker and Kelly shows of the nineties were legendary. 606, Alan Green et al are absolutely mind numbing by comparison.
They once did a feature on homemade memorabillia; rosettes, tin foil covered FA Cup cut outs and the like. A Dundee United fan phoned in and said that he once made a giant plywood bowtie , painted orange and black of course. As there was no way of adhering it to the top of his shirt, he had to just hold it up to his neck using a stick whch he had glued on the back. There was also a long-running feature with a young lady who was sleeping around with Premiership players.

I like the Dundee United fans turn of phrase, "I used to march to the ground with a two foot plywood bowtie on a pole, like a roman centurion going into battle". 

The young lady in question was bawdy Joanne. I read on a website that the 6 beau's were Simon Grayson, Steve Walsh, Robbie Savage, Brian Little, Duncan Ferguson & David Unsworth. I also read on Bakers website that she moved to Australia and married one of the top Aussie rules football players.

[TPF]

At the risk of turning this into the 'nostalgics anonymous' thread  , does anyone remember the cult classic TV show hosted by Danny Kelly in the mid to late 90's on Channel 4, called 'Under The Moon'? It was on every Wednesday night from 12pm-3am. The audience demographic consisted mostly of insomniacs, students, the unemployed and probably a few alcoholics/junkies...but it was a fantastic show!

The format was very simple, have 2 or 3 sports personalities as guests, get them drunk, get some members of the public (also drunk) to phone the studio, and then have a very lively and funny debate about current sporting issues, in which Danny Kelly would act as presenter/devils advocate/referee. They also had Tom Binns and Lisa Rogers doing various comical interludes.

I found this article about the show, it's a very good read for anyone who was a fan .

link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/apr/06/sportfeatures.television

[SriRachaShark]

I always thought that the Joanne calls were really tacky. But otherwise Baker & Kelly remains the football phone in show by which all the rest are judged. Classic entertainment.

[TPF]

I always thought that the Joanne calls were really tacky.

Yeah, it started off as being quite interesting but it became a bit tiresome, especially after she revealed that she fancied DB. He became even more sychophantic towards her after that .

[Vinnie]

Strange that with all the moving and merging of threads, the moderator has decided to leave this one alone! I wouldn't be offended if the mod moves this thread to 'General Discussion'. Perhaps retitled 'SRS, Marco and Vinnie waffle among themselves'!

I remember Under the Moon. And do you remember 'Standing Room Only'? Slightly irreverent football magazine show on BBC2 presented by Shelley Webb and Simon someone.

[SriRachaShark]

Strange that with all the moving and merging of threads, the moderator has decided to leave this one alone! I wouldn't be offended if the mod moves this thread to 'General Discussion'. Perhaps retitled 'SRS, Marco and Vinnie waffle among themselves'!

I remember Under the Moon. And do you remember 'Standing Room Only'? Slightly irreverent football magazine show on BBC2 presented by Shelley Webb and Simon someone.

SRS, Marco and Vinnie waffle among themselves. I like it : )

I think he was called Simon O'Brien and played Damon in Brookside. I only vaguely remember the show. There seemed to be a rash of yoof/football programmes in the wake of the 1990 World Cup.

[Vinnie]

That's right. I believe he's an Everton fan.

[Vinnie]

There seemed to be a rash of yoof/football programmes in the wake of the 1990 World Cup.

Ah, don't go there SRS. Of all of England's exits/failures it is still Italia 90 that hurts the most - by miles. 

[SriRachaShark]

There seemed to be a rash of yoof/football programmes in the wake of the 1990 World Cup.

Ah, don't go there SRS. Of all of England's exits/failures it is still Italia 90 that hurts the most - by miles. 

Cue gloating posts from loko and Tobi.

[jakartacasual]

old git that i am when i left england all there was abt football was shoot, goal, football monthly and world soccer

i do remember some danny baker/alan green/david mellor 606 but was never home long enough to get into it

as for those sniffing glue - wish i d kept all me old punk vinyl

[Vinnie]

There's a copy of Sniffin Glue on ebay with a Buy It Now price of $150  (item number 150360149571)
Better get in your mum's loft, SRS! 

[lokomotive]

There seemed to be a rash of yoof/football programmes in the wake of the 1990 World Cup.

Ah, don't go there SRS. Of all of England's exits/failures it is still Italia 90 that hurts the most - by miles. 

Cue gloating posts from loko and Tobi.

1990 WC? ..hm How glory was that for Germany !! England lost in a real bitter way. 6 Years later England still didn't had learn to shoot penelaties.

[Vinnie]

It's not the penalties that I think of when I think of Italia 90. It's more the nature of the German goal and the fact that we were in the semis of the World Cup finals and had a team that actually seemed good enough to win the tournament. That's why there's been nothing to touch it in terms of emotion since.

It remains the only time that I've cried because of a football result. I was only nine!

[lokomotive]

It's not the penalties that I think of when I think of Italia 90. It's more the nature of the German goal and the fact that we were in the semis of the World Cup finals and had a team that actually seemed good enough to win the tournament. That's why there's been nothing to touch it in terms of emotion since.

It remains the only time that I've cried because of a football result. I was only nine!

I know what you mean. I also cried at the WC Final 1986, I was twelf. ...the second time was 1999, 26th of May.....no I couldn't cry I was shocked too much...the secon time I cried 2001. But that time it was tears of joy after the CL Final.

[TPF]

Strange that with all the moving and merging of threads, the moderator has decided to leave this one alone! I wouldn't be offended if the mod moves this thread to 'General Discussion'. Perhaps retitled 'SRS, Marco and Vinnie waffle among themselves'!

I remember Under the Moon. And do you remember 'Standing Room Only'? Slightly irreverent football magazine show on BBC2 presented by Shelley Webb and Simon someone.

I do vaguely remember 'standing room only'. Vinnie is correct in saying Simon O'Brien is an Evertonian. He had a show on BBC Radio Merseyside for a while but he got sacked for saying 'F*** the government, f*** them all" while the show was live on air :.

[jakartacasual]

don t you mean 1989

it s up for grabs now and all that...

[SriRachaShark]

It's not the penalties that I think of when I think of Italia 90. It's more the nature of the German goal and the fact that we were in the semis of the World Cup finals and had a team that actually seemed good enough to win the tournament. That's why there's been nothing to touch it in terms of emotion since.

It remains the only time that I've cried because of a football result. I was only nine!

1970 for me. We were on holiday in Scotland, of all places, and I'll never forget the reaction of our guest house landlady when we lost to West Germany, 3-2. I don't remember crying but I felt terrible for days.

[SriRachaShark]

There's a copy of Sniffin Glue on ebay with a Buy It Now price of $150  (item number 150360149571)
Better get in your mum's loft, SRS! 

Seriously?! Bloody hell!!! I'm rich!!!!

JC, I've kept all my old Punk vinyl. It's safely stored away with all my other seemingly priceless articles in my mum's loft.

[bangkokOZZY]

BPL RULEZ !!!!

Football Highlights

[Natt]

World Club Rankings – Top 25 Clubs in the World – July 20, 2009

1. Barcelona (Esp) (1)
2. Manchester United (Eng) (2)
3. Chelsea (Eng) (3)
4. Arsenal (Eng) (4)
5. Liverpool (Eng) (5)
6. Inter Milan (Ita) (6)
7. VfL Wolfsburg (Ger) (7)
8. Real Madrid <8>
9. AC Milan (Ita) (9)
10. Porto (Por) (10)
11. Atletico Mineiro (Bra) (18)
12. Bordeaux (Fra) (11)
13. Bayern Munich (Ger) (12)
14. AZ Alkmaar (Ned) (13)
15. Juventus (Ita) (14)
16. Gremio (Bra) (21)
17. Marseille (Fra) (15)
18. Sevilla (Esp) (16)
19. Palmeiras (Bra) (NR)
20. Rangers (Sco) (19)
21. Atletico de Madrid (Esp) (20)
22. VfB Stuttgart (Ger) (22)
23. Sporting CP (Por) (23)
24. Estudiantes de La Plata (Arg) (24)
25. Everton (Eng) (25)

Why are the 25th team at the bottom of Premier League?

[TPF]

World Club Rankings – Top 25 Clubs in the World – July 20, 2009

1. Barcelona (Esp) (1)
2. Manchester United (Eng) (2)
3. Chelsea (Eng) (3)
4. Arsenal (Eng) (4)
5. Liverpool (Eng) (5)
6. Inter Milan (Ita) (6)
7. VfL Wolfsburg (Ger) (7)
8. Real Madrid <8>
9. AC Milan (Ita) (9)
10. Porto (Por) (10)
11. Atletico Mineiro (Bra) (18)
12. Bordeaux (Fra) (11)
13. Bayern Munich (Ger) (12)
14. AZ Alkmaar (Ned) (13)
15. Juventus (Ita) (14)
16. Gremio (Bra) (21)
17. Marseille (Fra) (15)
18. Sevilla (Esp) (16)
19. Palmeiras (Bra) (NR)
20. Rangers (Sco) (19)
21. Atletico de Madrid (Esp) (20)
22. VfB Stuttgart (Ger) (22)
23. Sporting CP (Por) (23)
24. Estudiantes de La Plata (Arg) (24)
25. Everton (Eng) (25)

Why are the 25th team at the bottom of Premier League?

Don't worry Nat, we always start slowly. Last season we had 9 points after 9 games and we finished 5th. We have recently signed Dinijar Bilyaletdinov from Lokomitiv Moscow, and Sylvain Distin from Portsmouth. Moyes has promised more signings very soon.

Don't forget we still have our 3 best players to come back into the team after injury...Jagielka, Arteta and Yakubu (the Yak played for 15 minutes tonight against Sigma Olomouc). Not much is said about the fact we are missing 3 key players. Imagine if Liverpool didn't have Gerrard,Torres & Carragher, or Chelsea didn't have Lampard, Terry & Drogba for 8 months.....We'd never hear the end of it  .

[Nigb]

Didn't know where to put this and didn't want to start a new topic so it's here. At Thaileaguefootball there is a comp for the top three headlines of 2009 for both Thai and English speakers
this is the link http://www.thaileaguefootball.com/index.php?lay=show&ac=article&Id=85778
 

[Vinnie]

To continue the Baker and Kelly theme prevalent throughout most of this page, I can resurrect one of their topics 'players you've seen in their kit when they're not playing': Korat striker Prasitchai in last year's third shirt on an escalator in Big C!!