Thailand Division 2 Thread

[Nigb]

Samut Prakhan 1-0 Ayutthaya.
Well thats Ayutthaya's chances for promotion done, good luck to the Samut Prakhan. For me I will be supporting Chiang Mai, FC Phuket and Samut Prakhan in the mini leagues.

[BKK73]

I'll be at the game between Nonthaburi and Keasetstart tonight. Should be interesting for two reasons: first, this is the team that walked off against Eka in the Toyota Cup and second, anything less than a win would bury Eka's play off hopes.

Come over and say hi. There is also another afrang, an older guy named David. His daughter is married to teh son of Nonthaburi's owner so be nice to him :-)

Kick off 1730.

If you see another 'farang' at the game tonight it could well be me. I had no idea that this game was taking place until I read your post.
My girlfriend is an ex Kasetsart student so I'm going to treat her to an evening of Thai second division football.  At least she'll have a team to cheer for. That is of course provided they stay on the pitch for the full 90 mins. 

Nontaburi deserved their 1-0 victory. They had the better of the first half and were deservedly ahead at half-time. Even though Kasetsart had more possession in the 2nd half they never really looked like scoring.
This was my first visit to a Thai 2nd division game and understandably there was a big gulf in class between this and the Thai prem League. What I didn't like was the antics of Kasetsart. They acted like a bunch of kids (which they probably are) and the constant feigning of injury was annoying. 

[the_englishman]

Nonthaburi 1 Kesetstart 0

Not a great game but 3 vital points.

[the_englishman]

Nontaburi deserved their 1-0 victory. They had the better of the first half and were deservedly ahead at half-time. Even though Kasetsart had more possession in the 2nd half they never really looked like scoring.
This was my first visit to a Thai 2nd division game and understandably there was a big gulf in class between this and the Thai prem League. What I didn't like was the antics of Kasetsart. They acted like a bunch of kids (which they probably are) and the constant feigning of injury was annoying. 

This was a particularly poor game though. Nonthaburi can play much better football on a good day.

PS Eka remain in the play-off hunt. Ratchatewi occupy second place in the D2 Bangkok and Vicinity table, they are three points above Eka with a game in hand......and they visit Nontahburi in Nontahburi's final league game.....

[druryfire]

Nontaburi deserved their 1-0 victory. They had the better of the first half and were deservedly ahead at half-time. Even though Kasetsart had more possession in the 2nd half they never really looked like scoring.
This was my first visit to a Thai 2nd division game and understandably there was a big gulf in class between this and the Thai prem League. What I didn't like was the antics of Kasetsart. They acted like a bunch of kids (which they probably are) and the constant feigning of injury was annoying. 

This was a particularly poor game though. Nonthaburi can play much better football on a good day.

PS Eka remain in the play-off hunt. Ratchatewi occupy second place in the D2 Bangkok and Vicinity table, they are three points above Eka with a game in hand......and they visit Nontahburi in Nontahburi's final league game.....

Just to touch on the Bangkok League, Bangkok themselves are now in pole position after beating Rangsit 3-2 to move them out of the top two.


Also today, seems the Southern league has finished. Feels like something of an anti-climax to finish this mid weeks.

Phuket and Trang take centre stage for the South in the Playoffs.

[druryfire]

Nonthaburi 1 Kesetstart 0

Not a great game but 3 vital points.

What's it like watching what can probably only be described as a game between men and boys? Or is Kesestart one of these uni teams which is home to the rather mature student?

[Vinnie]

Yasothon 1-2 Korat. That's Yasothon's play-off push over. The final play-off place will definitely now go to the team which finishes third in the C & E division.

[Vinnie]

A Rattanabundit player got a life ban last year for hitting a ref. This incident seems to be a matter for the police as much as for the FAT.

On the other hand, the guy from Army who slapped the ref after the Buriram-PEA game only got a 6 match ban, 12 demerit points, and a 12000 baht fine.

I've not seen that incident but I think the RBAC player actually sparked the ref out and he had to go to hospital.

There was an incident a few years ago when a ref was beaten up by an entire team and staff. It made the headlines and the club was disbanded. I can't remember which club it was but I have a feeling it was somewhere near Ayutthya.

Was it Royal Household Bureau F.C?

[lokomotive]

They played in the thai league in the 90's.

[druryfire]

Southern League has come to an end:

Here's my verdict for all it's worth:

1. Phuket - After the hype of 2009 in which they then finished last, they got there act together to finish comfortable winners. With the amount of money and high quality players brought in from feeder clubs this season, they should really go on to win promotion to Div1. Personally, I dislike the club, the 'fans' I've spoken to seem a bit *rude word*y, they weren't around in the 2009 struggle, but what the hell, there from the South. Hopefully they can break into the TPL in the near future which might just give more southern, or extremly northern clubs that glimmer of hope.

2. Trang - Debut in the league, seemed to get going from the off bringing in some players from the TPL. Rewarded with 2nd place. Could just make the jump to Div1 again.

3. Satun Utd - Missed out on goal difference last year to win the title. Another strong season from them. A club that have got there act together at this level after having miserable seasons when the league was nationwide.

4. Ranong - Another new team to the setup. Creditable 4th spot. Will be happy coming above seasoned campaigners Surat Thani.

5. Surat Thani - Struggled last season in Div1 after somewhat of a bust up or financial problems which seemed to plague them in the earlier part of this season. Once these problems were out of the way, they were a force to be reckoned with. Expect title chasers next year.

6. Krabi - Another mid table finish, but did extremly well to claw themselves up the table after a very poor start. Had sights of 2nd spot, but these did in truth seem very distant.

7. Pattani - Another solid season from Pattani. No one likes going there (with reason).

8. Phang Nga - Started well, struggled later. 8th was a decent showing

9. Yala - Progression on the 2009 season. Will be back again for more

10. Phattalung - Like Yala, slowly progressing which is a good thing for the league. I always have this feeling that teams that don't improve will just simply drop out. This shouldn't be the case.

11. Nakhon Si Thammarat - What happened here?? 3rd in 2009, 11th 2010. Biggest losers of the season.

12. Hat Yai - Some what in the shadows on Songkhla. The better Songkhla perform, the worser Hat Yai get.

13. Chumpon - Only way is up, see you next year!

Words on the other Southern clubs - Narathiwat, somewhat finding it hard in Div1, see you next year. Songkhla on the other hand are showing the first division that they can hold there own in there. 7th in 2009 and look to be improving for 2010.

[wolfman]

A proud moment (or at least for me) was the apperance of my brother-in-law for The Andaman Eagles (Krabi F.C.) at the weekend. At only 16 years of age, he was pulled away from his older brothers pop concert to sit on the bench, to make his debut with minutes remaining.

Asked if I could have his shirt, he proclaimed to say no, as the kit was needed for next seson.

Life at the bottom table.

drury - There's a photo of a foreign guy cheering in the crowd at last week's Krabi match in this week's Football Siam magazine. Is that you?

[druryfire]

A proud moment (or at least for me) was the apperance of my brother-in-law for The Andaman Eagles (Krabi F.C.) at the weekend. At only 16 years of age, he was pulled away from his older brothers pop concert to sit on the bench, to make his debut with minutes remaining.

Asked if I could have his shirt, he proclaimed to say no, as the kit was needed for next seson.

Life at the bottom table.

drury - There's a photo of a foreign guy cheering in the crowd at last week's Krabi match in this week's Football Siam magazine. Is that you?

Not a cat in hells chance, I'm stuck in sunny UK until next April.

[the_englishman]

Nonthaburi 2 North Central 0

D2 Bangkok and vicinity is ridiculously close. The key game is now Nonthaburi Vs Ratchatewi next weekend. I will eschew Tero V MTU and go to this one I think.

[BKK73]

Nonthaburi 2 North Central 0

D2 Bangkok and vicinity is ridiculously close. The key game is now Nonthaburi Vs Ratchatewi next weekend. I will eschew Tero V MTU and go to this one I think.

They have a great chance now of making the playoffs. 

[druryfire]

I could be wrong, but if Nonthaburi beat Ratchatewi then they overtake them on head to head. Bu Ratchatewi play Bangkok (possibly in midweek). So you need a Bangkok win.

Bangkok also meet 3rd palce Uni of North Bangkok last game. So i think you need two Bangkok victories this week and a win for yourselves and your in there.

Rangsit also have a chance, but there head to heads seem dire.

[wolfman]

Are they still using head-to head over goal difference?? This is ridiculous. I can understand H2H in a small group of 4 teams, but in a 24-30 match season, surely you should be judged on the whole season, not just 2 or 4 games?

[wolfman]

Central & East confirmed there playoff teams today: Saraburi, Samut Pakarn and Rayong. Final finishing order to be decided in next week's final round.

So we now know 10 of the 12 playoff sides:
South: Phuket (champions), Trang (2nd)
North: Chiang Mai, Chai Nat (??), Phichit (3rd)
Northeast: Loei, Buriram (??)
Central & East: Saraburi, Samut Prakan, Rayong (??)

Bangkok & Vicinity: From Rachawiti, Bangkok, Nth Bangkok Coll, Rangsit Uni, Nonthaburi (at least mathematically - I haven't worked out the fixture logic)

[druryfire]

h2h has always been around in thailand, last years tpl took ages to figure out for relegation purposes

I would encourage anyone to watch bangkok - raj vithi this week

[the_englishman]

Bangkok & Vicinity: From Rachawiti, Bangkok, Nth Bangkok Coll, Rangsit Uni, Nonthaburi (at least mathematically - I haven't worked out the fixture logic)

They still have to play Ratchatewi, so I hope it is still very possible.

[BKK73]

I would encourage anyone to watch bangkok - raj vithi this week

According to Thaileagueonline the game is being played today (12-Sept) at 4pm.
I looked on wiki and it has Raj Vithi's home stadium listed as BEC Tero Stadium. Is that the Thephasadin behind MBK or is it another stadium?

[Vinnie]

I would encourage anyone to watch bangkok - raj vithi this week

According to Thaileagueonline the game is being played today (12-Sept) at 4pm.
I looked on wiki and it has Raj Vithi's home stadium listed as BEC Tero Stadium. Is that the Thephasadin behind MBK or is it another stadium?

Try to check with the club. I know for a fact that Raj Vithi have used both the Thai-Japanese Stadium and the Bang-Mod Stadium this season.

[BKK73]

I would encourage anyone to watch bangkok - raj vithi this week

According to Thaileagueonline the game is being played today (12-Sept) at 4pm.
I looked on wiki and it has Raj Vithi's home stadium listed as BEC Tero Stadium. Is that the Thephasadin behind MBK or is it another stadium?

Try to check with the club. I know for a fact that Raj Vithi have used both the Thai-Japanese Stadium and the Bang-Mod Stadium this season.

Bangkok Fc has the game listed for 15 Sep, with a 4pm kick off at the 3k Nong Jork Stadium

[druryfire]

I would encourage anyone to watch bangkok - raj vithi this week

According to Thaileagueonline the game is being played today (12-Sept) at 4pm.
I looked on wiki and it has Raj Vithi's home stadium listed as BEC Tero Stadium. Is that the Thephasadin behind MBK or is it another stadium?

BEC Tero Stadium is the Nong Jork one you refer to later. Not the one behind MBK.

[lokomotive]

I would encourage anyone to watch bangkok - raj vithi this week

According to Thaileagueonline the game is being played today (12-Sept) at 4pm.
I looked on wiki and it has Raj Vithi's home stadium listed as BEC Tero Stadium. Is that the Thephasadin behind MBK or is it another stadium?

I thought it was too late, as you mentioned the match will be today. But it apears not. So Raj-Vithi has to use the Thai-Japanese stadium for the last matches.

[druryfire]

what are the reasons for raj playing at thai-jap stadium? Especially when bkk utd moved out?

[lokomotive]

no clue dru. It was just what I read from TLO.

[druryfire]

without ever being to any of the grounds i would have though playing in a smaller nong jork stadium would have been a better example for anyone new to the game, especially being a title decider.

Talking of raj, what kind of backing do they have, they have been around for years, along with bamgkok, so i guess its fitting that these teams now get recognition, now might be the time to call bangkok,my team! Or i might save that for bcc who have been around ages aswell, of course only my team when im in bkk

[wolfman]

Chiang Mai had a 4-1 away victory over Chiang Rai FC today. With Chai Nat drawing at Petchabun, Chiang Mai are confirmed as champions in the Northern league.

Chiang Mai 1st
Chai Nat 2nd
Phichit 3rd

In the Northeastern league, leaders Loei lost at Udon Thani, but still lead by 2 points going into the last day, as Buriram could only draw at home with Chayaphum.

[druryfire]

Chiang Mai had a 4-1 away victory over Chiang Rai FC today. With Chai Nat drawing at Petchabun, Chiang Mai are confirmed as champions in the Northern league.

Chiang Mai 1st
Chai Nat 2nd
Phichit 3rd

In the Northeastern league, leaders Loei lost at Udon Thani, but still lead by 2 points going into the last day, as Buriram could only draw at home with Chayaphum.

A slight improvement for Chainat, they came 3rd last season. Phichit came 2nd!

[BKK73]

I would encourage anyone to watch bangkok - raj vithi this week

According to Thaileagueonline the game is being played today (12-Sept) at 4pm.
I looked on wiki and it has Raj Vithi's home stadium listed as BEC Tero Stadium. Is that the Thephasadin behind MBK or is it another stadium?

I thought it was too late, as you mentioned the match will be today. But it apears not. So Raj-Vithi has to use the Thai-Japanese stadium for the last matches.

On TLO Div 2 fixtures it now has the game being played at Bang Mod Stadium.

[Vinnie]

Champions in the Northeast Div will be decided on the final day. Loei are two points ahead of Buriram. Korat host Loei; Yasothon host Buriram.

[BKK73]

I would encourage anyone to watch bangkok - raj vithi this week

According to Thaileagueonline the game is being played today (12-Sept) at 4pm.
I looked on wiki and it has Raj Vithi's home stadium listed as BEC Tero Stadium. Is that the Thephasadin behind MBK or is it another stadium?

I thought it was too late, as you mentioned the match will be today. But it apears not. So Raj-Vithi has to use the Thai-Japanese stadium for the last matches.

On TLO Div 2 fixtures it now has the game being played at Bang Mod Stadium.

It's been changed again. It's now at 3k Nong Jork according to TLO today. 

[wolfman]

I could be wrong, but if Nonthaburi beat Ratchatewi then they overtake them on head to head. Bu Ratchatewi play Bangkok (possibly in midweek). So you need a Bangkok win.

Bangkok also meet 3rd palce Uni of North Bangkok last game. So i think you need two Bangkok victories this week and a win for yourselves and your in there.

Rangsit also have a chance, but there head to heads seem dire.

Good news for t_e and Nonthaburi.
Rajawithi 1-3 Bangkok FC

Also (but not as crucial)

Petchabun FC 5-1 Sukothai FC (North)
Sakon Nakon FC 1-3 Mukdahan FC (Northeast)

[druryfire]

Rangsit also won today and join Raj-Vithi on 46 points, but lose out on head to head record having played there full 24 games now.

This weekend brings some interesting matchups.

Nonthaburi - Raj
Bangkok Uni - Bangkok

Top 5 teams in action.

[the_englishman]

Makes the weekend game Nont V Raj even more crucial now. No excuses for the loser in that one.
Drury's warning still holds true, we need to win (obviously) against Rajatewi, Bangkok FC to beat North Bangkok and Rangsit to drop points in their last game. None of which is out of the question.

[BKK73]

If Bangkok FC don't lose to North Bangkok Uni and Nontaburi beat Raj that would mean Raj, Rangsit and Nontaburi all finish on 46 points. Any ideas who would finish 2nd on the head to head? Or should we call in Carol Vorderman to work this one out?

[druryfire]

Rangsit season has finished already, they are currently in 3rd, can only come 2nd if 3 or more teams finish on same points and then its kind of worked out on points obtained against each other.

[wolfman]

Current Head-to-Heads (Home, Away, Aggregate)

Bangkok FC
    v Rangsit U   2-0   1-0   Bangkok 3-0
   v Rachawiti   3-1   3-0   Bangkok 6-1
   v Nth Bkk U   0-1   ?-?
   v Nontaburi   2-1   0-1   Nontaburi 2-2 away goals

Rangsit U   
v Rachawiti   1-0   2-0   Rangsit 3-0
v Nth Bkk U   0-0   2-0   Rangsit 2-0
v Nontaburi   1-1   1-0   Rangsit 2-1

Rachawiti   
v Nth Bkk U   3-4   2-0   Rachawiti 5-4
v Nontaburi   0-1   ?-?   

Nth Bkk U   
v Nontaburi   1-1   2-0   Nth Bkk 3-1
                    


Honestly, this looked much prettier before I posted

EDIT: Have turned the Rangsit - Nontaburi away result around

[the_englishman]

Current Head-to-Heads                     

Thanks for the information but I can't follow the pattern. What is the head to head between
a) Nonthaburi and Rangsit?
b) Nonthaburi and Ratchatewi?

[wolfman]

BKK73 - in your scenario, Rangsitwould go through in 2nd, with better head to heads records against both Rachawiti and Rangsit.

(If I've copied the scores from TLO correctly; I've already double checked Rangsit v Rachwithi because of drury's posts, and I still disagree with him).

Edit: Corrected due to error in my original table

[wolfman]

Current Head-to-Heads                    

Thanks for the information but I can't follow the pattern. What is the head to head between
a) Nonthaburi and Rangsit?
b) Nonthaburi and Ratchatewi?

Sorry.
By my reckoning, Nontaburi drew 1-1 at Rangsit, and lost 1-0 at home. Rangsit 2-1 overall.

Vs Rachawiti, they won the first match 1-0, so if they win this week, they'll win that head to head.

Edit: Fixed

[druryfire]

BKK73 - in your scenario, Nonthaburi would go through in 2nd, with better head to heads records against both Rachawiti and Rangsit.

(If I've copied the scores from TLO correctly; I've already double checked Rangsit v Rachwithi because of drury's posts, and I still disagree with him).

Your right, I was looking at the results the wrong way round. Rangsit current sit in 2nd with a better h2h than Rajvithi.

[the_englishman]

For ease of reference.....

[the_englishman]

More complications. Eka fans seem to think it is all over. They are aware of the H2H rule - I can make out that much - but still say we must beat Rajatewi by four goals or more and Eka have never scored more than two goals in a game.. I can't understand why they see it this way but they seem sure of it.

Wolfman you can read Thai right? Maybe you could take a look at the first post and explain it to us?
http://www.nonthaburifc.com/forum/index.php?topic=1028.0

EDIT: I've just checked and we (Nonthaburi) LOST at home to Rangsit 0-1 which explains a lot. I can't see any scenario that qualifies us now   

[BKK73]

More complications. Eka fans seem to think it is all over. They are aware of the H2H rule - I can make out that much - but still say we must beat Rajatewi by four goals or more and Eka have never scored more than two goals in a game.. I can't understand why they see it this way but they seem sure of it.

Wolfman you can read Thai right? Maybe you could take a look at the first post and explain it to us?
http://www.nonthaburifc.com/forum/index.php?topic=1028.0

EDIT: I've just checked and we (Nonthaburi) LOST at home to Rangsit 0-1 which explains a lot. I can't see any scenario that qualifies us now   

Greg, I asked my g/f to translate it. She says that poster doesn't feel optimistic. The poster said that he is almost certain it's going to come down to H2H and that would give Nontaburi no chance as Rangsit would win the 3-way H2H. On the off chance that they use goal difference it would require Nontaburi winning by 4+ goals and hoping that Bangkok FC didn't lose.

[druryfire]

Mind blowing stuff trying to work all this stuff out. No doubt 3 or 4 clubs will be claiming the championship come Sunday evening.

I think i'll wait for the official results before this h2h starts to drill into my mind even more.

God help us if 3 clubs come tied.

I only hope that after all this, both clubs whomever they may be go on to get promotion to save it from happening again next year.

[wolfman]

t_e - Have read the post, and the guy says he's not sure whether the league will be decided by H2H or goal difference, plus what BKK73's g/f says.

As we're fairly  sure it's going to be H2H, Nontaburi can't get there (you're right I had the Rangsit result backwards), and it's a 4-team race now.

[wolfman]

Mind blowing stuff trying to work all this stuff out. No doubt 3 or 4 clubs will be claiming the championship come Sunday evening.

Now that we've worked out the errors in previous efforts, I'll have a crack. (Based on H2H decider)

Bangkok - 47 pts
Win = Champions. Draw = Go through. Lose = Go through only if Rachawithi fail to win.

Rangsit - 46 pts
Go through as long as Bangkok don't lose, and Rachawiti do.

Rachawiti - 46 pts
Win = through Draw = Through as long as Bangkok avoid defeat. Lose = No good

Nth Bangkok - 44 pts
Win = Through.  Draw/Lose = No good

[BKK73]

Mind blowing stuff trying to work all this stuff out. No doubt 3 or 4 clubs will be claiming the championship come Sunday evening.

Now that we've worked out the errors in previous efforts, I'll have a crack. (Based on H2H decider)

Bangkok - 47 pts
Win = Champions. Draw = Go through. Lose = Go through only if Rachawithi fail to win.

Rangsit - 46 pts
Go through as long as Bangkok don't lose, and Rachawiti do.

Rachawiti - 46 pts
Win = through Draw = Through as long as Bangkok avoid defeat. Lose = No good

Nth Bangkok - 44 pts
Win = Through.  Draw/Lose = No good

I think you've hit the nail on the head Wolfman. That looks like the correct scenario. 

I was thinking of going to watch Nontaburi v Raj Vithi but now that Nontaburi have nothing to play for, the North Bangkok Uni v Bangkok FC seems like a better option.

[wolfman]

I'm not sure if the above post is completely accurate, but I've worked out that if there's a 3-way tie on 47 pts (BKK, NBU, Raj), then H2H is irrelevant (NBU beat BKK, BKK beat Raj,  Raj beat NBU). Therefore BKK and NBU will go through on goal difference.

Unless, of course, Nth Bkk win 23-0.