FA Cup

[BKK_Mackem]

And it's highly likely that the matches will be scheduled for kick-off the day after the draw has been made ...

[lokomotive]

And it's highly likely that the matches will be scheduled for kick-off the day after the draw has been made ...

....just to be rescheduled during the following days...

[BKK_Mackem]

And it's highly likely that the matches will be scheduled for kick-off the day after the draw has been made ...

....just to be rescheduled during the following days...

 ... and then subsequently rearranged, cancelled, rearranged, postponed and rearranged once again. And they wonder why crowds are not higher ...

[lokomotive]

btw, League Cup matches received new kick off times, after it was officially announced last week, that all matches will be kicked at 4PM.

[BKK_Mackem]

btw, League Cup matches received new kick off times, after it was officially announced last week, that all matches will be kicked at 4PM.

Mmmm ... does that include the return legs next week as I'm sure Bangkok Glass are scheduled to play later at 18:00. Surely it doesn't make sense to play midweek games at 16:00 when hardly anyone can get to watch. Oh right ... makes perfect sense to anyone with lumps of jelly floating around inside their head instead of brain cells

[66svein]

btw, League Cup matches received new kick off times, after it was officially announced last week, that all matches will be kicked at 4PM.

Mmmm ... does that include the return legs next week as I'm sure Bangkok Glass are scheduled to play later at 18:00. Surely it doesn't make sense to play midweek games at 16:00 when hardly anyone can get to watch. Oh right ... makes perfect sense to anyone with lumps of jelly floating around inside their head instead of brain cells

Bangkok United vs Hat Yai is being played at 1800 on thursday september 2nd. If they play 1600 there won`t be more than a hundred people.
PS! Yes, it was moved from wednesday to thursday...
PS2! What happens the weekend of september 4th and 5th? No games...

[lokomotive]

No. only two games. 1x TPL, 1x TPL 1. Cose that weekend is an official FIFA Matchday for national squads. 

[SriRachaShark]

btw, League Cup matches received new kick off times, after it was officially announced last week, that all matches will be kicked at 4PM.

Mmmm ... does that include the return legs next week as I'm sure Bangkok Glass are scheduled to play later at 18:00. Surely it doesn't make sense to play midweek games at 16:00 when hardly anyone can get to watch. Oh right ... makes perfect sense to anyone with lumps of jelly floating around inside their head instead of brain cells

To be fair, things are slowly improving in this respect. More midweek matches are being scheduled for 7:00pm as the clubs have finally realised they are likely to get more people turning up at this time. It's like a lot of things connected to Thai football - they get there (sort of) eventually.

The final round of TPL matches in 2007 were all played at the same time - 3:30pm on a Tuesday!! Luckily we had wrapped up the title the week before (6:00pm on a Wednesday), otherwise the crowd for the season's climax would have been in the hundreds rather than the thousands.

[BKK_Mackem]

I can understand the logic behind starting games at 4pm in some provinces where there's a lack of floodlights (or the strength of the floodlights is in question) and it's a lot easier for people to get off work early and make their way to the local stadium in no time at all.

However, in Bangkok it makes much more sense to have games kick off later when people have time to both finish work and battle their way across the city through the traffic. Kick-offs at 6pm help, but Muangthong's recent kick-off times at 7pm are a step in the right direction, unless you're a dedicated fan making the trip to the capital for a cup tie from a far flung corner of Thailand like Ubon, Nong Khai, Chiang Rai or Narathiwat.

Similarly, I am sure that many fans would be able to make journeys further afield if their away games were scheduled for Saturday evenings rather than Sunday. I do though understand the demands of TV!

 

[BKK73]

Do clubs have the option if they'd rather play their home games on Saturday or Sunday or is it dictated to them by the TV companies?

[wolfman]

Do clubs have the option if they'd rather play their home games on Saturday or Sunday or is it dictated to them by the TV companies?

Ask Vinnie about this re: PEA and mini-PEA

[wolfman]

Latest results (25 Aug)
Rajpracha- Nonthaburi 2-0 Sri Racha (Nuttapon Poontawi [pen] 32 min, Niran Pantong 37)
Chonburi 4-1 Samut Songkram (CFC: Therdsak Chaiman 5, 69[pen], Pipop On-mo 38, Suree Sukha 81, SS: Sittipan Choomchuay 77)

4 teams in the quarters so far - Raj, Chonburi, Nakhon Pathom, Pattaya Utd.

Two more matches tomorrow

Thai Army v Buriram PEA
MTU v Air Force Utd

[the_englishman]

Excellent performance by Raj today. I make 85% chance of a TPL team next round.

[lokomotive]

Excellent performance by Raj today. I make 85% chance of a TPL team next round.

I am not that happy with the result.  , but when I saw that Siracha is 2 goals down, I was pretty much sure, they wont came back. However, as Raj is a small club, with a big history I am pleased a bit. Maybe they can take on Pathom in the next round, with a 50/50 chance of advancing to the semis.

[lokomotive]

Sisaket is not happy to play on 7 September, and they asked for a pull in. Reason, they will have to take on BGFC on 11th. 

[the_englishman]

I'd be interested to know why Raj's game kicked off at 1800 on a Wednesday. I'm sure it bumped at least 30% off the attendance figure. When we played Sriracha in the league (on a Saturday) they filled their stand, this time it was less than half full.

[SriRachaShark]

I'd be interested to know why Raj's game kicked off at 1800 on a Wednesday. I'm sure it bumped at least 30% off the attendance figure. When we played Sriracha in the league (on a Saturday) they filled their stand, this time it was less than half full.

The travelling support that day would have been boosted by a contingent of Chonburi fans who didn't fancy the longer trip to Phichit. Also, there's very little interest in the FA Cup. They want to win the league!!

[wolfman]

Sisaket is not happy to play on 7 September, and they asked for a pull in. Reason, they will have to take on BGFC on 11th. 

According to Thai League Online, their home game vs Buriram-PEA is on Friday 3rd, so a busy week there for Si Saket.
Anyone know why this has been moved from 18-19 Sept when a full round is being played?

[BKK_Mackem]

Muangthong cruising to victory. 3-0 up against Air Force with 5 minutes to go. Was gonna go, but got out of work too late to beat the traffic jams.

Meanwhile Army are surprisingly leading Buriram 1-0 in extra-time.

Good to see both Chonburi and Muangthong marching on. Hopefully they'll avoid each other in the next round and meet in the final.

[BKK_Mackem]

4-0 to Muangthong in the end including a brace of goals for Monsieur Christian.

[the_englishman]

MTU 4 AFU 0
Quick report to follow later.

Couple of quickies: what happens if games are drawn at 90 mins in a semi final?
Also, will the semis be played at neutral venues?

[lokomotive]

embarrassing scenes from the Army - Buriram match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWXS9n9B03c

I am not sure but the trouble may have start around the 75 minutes into the game.

[the_englishman]

embarrassing scenes from the Army - Buriram match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWXS9n9B03c

I am not sure but the trouble may have start around the 75 minutes into the game.

That looks awful but it's hard to tell who is responsible for what. One thing is for sure, we will see more scenes like this with Buriram because it's becoming increasingly clear they are getting "help" and they know it.

[wolfman]

Just skimming the report on thaileagueonline.com and it appears a Buriram player was sent off on 65 minutes. The fight broke out at 75 minutes, and play stopped for 10 minutes. Army's captain was dismissed. Once the game resumed, 8 minutes of injury time were played before the game finished 0-0 and carried on into extra-time, where Army scored the winner in the 97th minute. A second Army player received a red card in the 119th minute, but Buriram were unable to take advantage.

[SriRachaShark]

embarrassing scenes from the Army - Buriram match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWXS9n9B03c

I am not sure but the trouble may have start around the 75 minutes into the game.

That looks awful but it's hard to tell who is responsible for what. One thing is for sure, we will see more scenes like this with Buriram because it's becoming increasingly clear they are getting "help" and they know it.

It will be interesting to see what sort of punishments are handed out.

[BangkokGlassBunny]

embarrassing scenes from the Army - Buriram match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWXS9n9B03c

I am not sure but the trouble may have start around the 75 minutes into the game.

That looks awful but it's hard to tell who is responsible for what. One thing is for sure, we will see more scenes like this with Buriram because it's becoming increasingly clear they are getting "help" and they know it.

It will be interesting to see what sort of punishments are handed out.

No doubt Army will get punished but I bet we don't hear anything regarding Buriram.

[SriRachaShark]

embarrassing scenes from the Army - Buriram match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWXS9n9B03c

I am not sure but the trouble may have start around the 75 minutes into the game.

That looks awful but it's hard to tell who is responsible for what. One thing is for sure, we will see more scenes like this with Buriram because it's becoming increasingly clear they are getting "help" and they know it.

It will be interesting to see what sort of punishments are handed out.

No doubt Army will get punished but I bet we don't hear anything regarding Buriram.

I wouldn't be too sure. The people who came on to the pitch should be quite easy to identify and at least one of their players deserves a very long ban for his kung fu style kick.

I'm hoping that the authorities do things properly once they have assessed the whole incident.

[SriRachaShark]

I've just watched it again and there are three people who launch kicks. Two are definitely PEA players and the third is wearing a green vest with blue shorts and he appears to kick a PEA player. They should all receive lengthy bans for a start.

[BKK73]

They should also do something about the spectators that ran on to the pitch to get involved. Idiots!!

[BangkokGlassBunny]

I've just watched it again and there are three people who launch kicks. Two are definitely PEA players and the third is wearing a green vest with blue shorts and he appears to kick a PEA player. They should all receive lengthy bans for a start.

'Should' being the key word, but we know it's Buriram we are dealing with.

[the_englishman]

I've just watched it again and there are three people who launch kicks. Two are definitely PEA players and the third is wearing a green vest with blue shorts and he appears to kick a PEA player. They should all receive lengthy bans for a start.

And the two Buriram players who do so are nasty little weasels who try and run back into the fray to hide their identity straight after their sneak attack. At least the Army FC player - wrong though he was - didn't try to hide.

[BKK73]

I saw some extended highlights on Channel 3 news this evening.  It certainly doesn't look good. In addition to the youtube clip earlier, it showed the Army #31 slap the ref at the end of the game. It wasn't a particularly strong slap but nonetheless he shouldn't be raising his hands to a match official.

It also showed Buriram #28 assaulting an innocent table after he was sent off. It isn't clear from the tv pictures whether or not the table said something to offend him.   

[BKK_Mackem]

I don't want to seem like I'm having a go but it's these constant incidents of flying kicks, walk-offs, etc. that is, and has been, holding back the development of football in Thailand for more than a decade.

The Thai F.A. needs to get serious about dealing with this kind of idiotic behaviour or they're never going to be taken seriously and will never be offered a chance to get back into the AFC Champions League.

Thailand's chances of making the World Cup in the next 50 years? No chance ... sad but true. Without discipline and consequences for lack of it, how can you expect any progress.

That aside ... those who paid 80 baht to watch the game got their money's worth with muay thai, bitch slapping, table kicking and keystone cop chases across the pitch.

Thai football stadiums certainly aren't dull!

[druryfire]

I don't want to seem like I'm having a go but it's these constant incidents of flying kicks, walk-offs, etc. that is, and has been, holding back the development of football in Thailand for more than a decade.

I don't know about that. A decade ago, no one watched Thai football bar Dale. So there wasn't really a product to sell.

Less than 5 years ago we had the Pro League, that caused more harm as no one knew what was really happening. Thank god they merged.

We really don't know what happened in that FA Cup tie. Things might have been said on the park, it happens, but it does seem that the Thai way is to sort out whatever happens there and then. Others, like myself, would get on with the game, kick whoever winded me up in one of them hard challenges and then filled the lad in at the bar afterwards.

Hopefully, FAT will make an example of these players, but they probably won't. But is it fair to make an example of them when others have got off lightly.

Thai football has made great strides in the last 18 months, and some players will now be role models. Maybe it is this that is suddenly getting to their heads? For example, most of the foreign players would never be a star at 'home' so suddenly it hits them abroad.

 The local players seem to have Muay Thai in their blood and need a few very old pro's to grab them around the neck. This is what happened in the J.League, but in the TPL, we don't seem to have any player that can get a hold of a team and bring some disipline on the field.

[the_englishman]

I don't want to seem like I'm having a go but it's these constant incidents of flying kicks, walk-offs, etc. that is, and has been, holding back the development of football in Thailand for more than a decade.

Hopefully, FAT will make an example of these players, but they probably won't. But is it fair to make an example of them when others have got off lightly.

Yes. Two wrongs don't make a right and the reason they do this is due to arrogance of thinking the TFA are soft.

[the_englishman]

More coverage:
http://sstv.siamsport.co.th/ViewClip.asp?C=00014498
Such a shame that idiot AFC player pushed the ref at the end, otherwise Army could almost claim some moral high ground.

[BangkokGlassBunny]

One a more positive note.... It was a great goal from Army to win the match 

[BKK_Mackem]

I don't want to seem like I'm having a go but it's these constant incidents of flying kicks, walk-offs, etc. that is, and has been, holding back the development of football in Thailand for more than a decade.

I don't know about that. A decade ago, no one watched Thai football bar Dale. So there wasn't really a product to sell.

Less than 5 years ago we had the Pro League, that caused more harm as no one knew what was really happening. Thank god they merged.

We really don't know what happened in that FA Cup tie. Things might have been said on the park, it happens, but it does seem that the Thai way is to sort out whatever happens there and then. Others, like myself, would get on with the game, kick whoever winded me up in one of them hard challenges and then filled the lad in at the bar afterwards.

Hopefully, FAT will make an example of these players, but they probably won't. But is it fair to make an example of them when others have got off lightly.

Thai football has made great strides in the last 18 months, and some players will now be role models. Maybe it is this that is suddenly getting to their heads? For example, most of the foreign players would never be a star at 'home' so suddenly it hits them abroad.

 The local players seem to have Muay Thai in their blood and need a few very old pro's to grab them around the neck. This is what happened in the J.League, but in the TPL, we don't seem to have any player that can get a hold of a team and bring some disipline on the field.

True that there were not many fans watching football a decade ago, but I can remember from watching local TV in the late 90s there were plenty of incidents at both club and international level involving Thai players walking off, bitch slapping and karate kicking ... this mentality has to change if the Thai league and its clubs are going to be taken more seriously in the future.

[jakartacasual]

i certainly recall watching the odd game on tv, ususally from the thai japanese stadium but about all i can recall is empy terraces and rain

anyway of you wanna talk about petulance try the indonesia cup final in 2009. one team were refused a penalty, they went mad, one striker headbutted the ref and they walked off never to return forfeiting the game

before the disciplinary meeting they threatened to join the australian league. they didnt. they were fined loads, the head butter was banned and they were kicked out the cup this season

they appealed and wre reinstated. however they were never going to win the league...

rather than getting all high and mighty about  this crap, like i used to, i now treat it as a joke, albeit one that should happen at every game. rather like aussie rules players puffing their chests and brawling at the ice hockey...

[BKK_Mackem]

i certainly recall watching the odd game on tv, ususally from the thai japanese stadium but about all i can recall is empy terraces and rain

anyway of you wanna talk about petulance try the indonesia cup final in 2009. one team were refused a penalty, they went mad, one striker headbutted the ref and they walked off never to return forfeiting the game

before the disciplinary meeting they threatened to join the australian league. they didnt. they were fined loads, the head butter was banned and they were kicked out the cup this season

they appealed and wre reinstated. however they were never going to win the league...

rather than getting all high and mighty about  this crap, like i used to, i now treat it as a joke, albeit one that should happen at every game. rather like aussie rules players puffing their chests and brawling at the ice hockey...

There is that. We perhaps should accept to a certain degree that the walk-offs and onfield way of resolving disputes is a local way of doing things, just as sharing a laugh, photos and smiles with the opposition is much more of a Thai way of doing things than at games in England.

I used to follow an ice-hockey team called the Whitley Warriors in the NE of England and the game wasn't complete without a mass brawl on the ice involving almost every player from both teams. The fans lapped it up and loved it, but it never spilled into trouble in the stands.

I'd like to think the same lack of violence in the stands were possible in Thailand, but as we've occasionally seen it can spill into the crowds here and there were more than a couple of Buriram fans getting involved the other night who had absolutely no right to be on the pitch.

I don't think an escalation in violence at grounds would stop me from going, but it would dampen the enthusiasm of many who do go, for good reason, especially women and children. God forbid they ever think about putting up fences around the pitches. We had enough of that in England in the 80s.

Come on Thai FA ... do your job and be firm with the offending players and hooligans.

[lokomotive]

There is already a decission done. But I can't really make something out of it.

http://www.thaileagueonline.com/news.php?id_news=2712&page=1

Newin by the way, banned the two Brasilians for two matches.

[BKK_Mackem]

There is already a decission done. But I can't really make something out of it.

http://www.thaileagueonline.com/news.php?id_news=2712&page=1

Newin by the way, banned the two Brasilians for two matches.

Fairly mild punishment in my book.

How is the table doing? It took a right whacking.

[BKK_Mackem]

Ridiculously low fines will not deter further indiscretions of this kind in the future. Oh well ...

[the_englishman]

It shouldn't be Newin banning the players, it should be the FA. Of course, we know that is not the way it works in reality.

EDIT: I see they got fined 4000 baht each. That'll learn them eh?
Pathetic.

[lokomotive]

That Newin banned the players was an issue done already on 27th last week. I think he wanted to be pro active.

In the articel from TLO I only found out that they fined with 4.000 Baht , but I am sure there is more in it.

[wolfman]

I'm trying to translate that Thai League Online article as I write this and it looks like there's a bit more. This is what I think the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs say:

PEA players:

Anderson Dos Santos has been banned for 1 FA Cup match. It also says that 4 points are added to his Premier League total of 10, bringing him to a total of 14 (are these discipline points?) This means he is fined 4000 Baht and is banned 2 matches.

Apiset Pootan also receives 4 points, bringing his total to 10, meaning he is banned 1 TPL match.

Douglas Cardozo receives 4 points, his total is now 6; banned 1 TPL match.

Army:

Tatree Seeha banned 2 FA Cup matches. Given 6 points, now has 12. 2 match TPL ban, and 4000 Baht fine.

Anuwat Noicheunpan banned 2 FA Cup matches, given 12 points (total 22), banned 4 TPL matches, fined 12000 Baht

Supachart Apichartyanon banned 2 FA Cup matches, 12 points (14)  2 match TPL ban, 4000 baht fine.

Somporn Tancharoen banned 2 FA Cup matches, given 12 points (12), 2 match TPL ban, 4000 baht fine


It doesn't appear as though there were any sanctions for the clubs. I think the last paragraph says something like they said that they've come down hard on the players, in order to send a message to the rest of the league.

[BKK_Mackem]

Come down hard?

How many games do you usually get banned for thumping someone??? None or zero?

[wolfman]

Come down hard?

How many games do you usually get banned for thumping someone??? None or zero?

Depends who your.. ahem.. friends are.

[wolfman]

For those of you who've forgotten this competition is still going, the 8th quarterfinalist has finally been found. Navy-Rayong beat Bangkok United 3-1 at home tonight.

Draw will be Thursday 9 September, at 2pm (Thai time).

As a reminder, the last 8 teams are:

Nakhon Pathom FC
Pattaya Utd
Rajparacha-Nontaburi FC
Chonburi FC
Army
Muang Thong Utd
Si Saket FC
Navy-Rayong

[SriRachaShark]

For those of you who've forgotten this competition is still going, the 8th quarterfinalist has finally been found. Navy-Rayong beat Bangkok United 3-1 at home tonight.

Draw will be Thursday 9 September, at 2pm (Thai time).

As a reminder, the last 8 teams are:

Nakhon Pathom FC
Pattaya Utd
Rajparacha-Nontaburi FC
Chonburi FC
Army
Muang Thong Utd
Si Saket FC
Navy-Rayong

Navy Rayong or Bang Phra away (both close to work) or anyone at home would suit me.