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Certainly seems that the PEA/FC owners seem to be making rods for their own backs.
Do they really not think about things before they go on an ego trip?
I mean. Owner/Owner's wife going to collect a "Fans" award dressed in a different teams shirt!!!!
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« Reply #301 on: January 25, 2011, 03:19:46 PM » |
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Not an expert of the running of any club. I am on the outside looking in. Just seems a bit strange that all those fans go to the games and can't go and pick up the trophy.
Instead someone who, technically, has nothing to do with the club goes to get it.
And at the same time wears clothing advertising her own club.
I see you are an Ipswich fan Binnsy. How about Delia going to get the League cup if your boys win it?
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Do they really not think about things before they go on an ego trip?
I mean. Owner/Owner's wife going to collect a "Fans" award dressed in a different teams shirt!!!!
Who are you ?Total of 3 posts you are yet another expert on the running of Buriram PEA.I SENSE another partnership has been formed. Does it really matter how many posts you've done to have an opinion? If it does, then counting your 125 hardly makes you an expert on football in Buriram. Whats Buriram VA again? |
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« Reply #303 on: January 25, 2011, 08:55:53 PM » |
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Certainly seems that the PEA/FC owners seem to be making rods for their own backs.
Do they really not think about things before they go on an ego trip?
I mean. Owner/Owner's wife going to collect a "Fans" award dressed in a different teams shirt!!!!
Who are you ?Total of 3 posts you are yet another expert on the running of Buriram PEA.I SENSE another partnership has been formed. Does it really matter how many posts you've done to have an opinion? If it does, then counting your 125 hardly makes you an expert on football in Buriram. Whats Buriram VA again? I take my hat off to Drury with over 1000 posts. Buriram VA that is VISION ASIA as if you did not no;-) Still does not explain why someone with 3 posts to there name has dived in with both feet and started slagging of Buriram PEA does it? |
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« Reply #304 on: January 25, 2011, 09:23:29 PM » |
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it seems i don't read very well because i have just noticed that the big game chonburi v thai port is on the 19th and not the 14th so it looks like i will be attending the B.E.C. TERO game regardless of your attendance or not binnsy.
I will be attending but I will not be able to get you a match ticket as when we go to the away games we pay 500 baht and that includes the travel there and back plus a match ticket.But if you decide to go along come and stand with the Buriram fans and have a beer/coke before the game.
hi binnsy thanks man for the invite i certainly will be going to the match.i have a friend in bangkok and he has said that he will be able to obtain a ticket for me and will be coming along with me ,do you think that will be ok.where and what time can we meet.i am really looking forward to the game.i see on this forum that your views and opinions about buriram pea are disliked or certainly questioned,i understand there is a general dislike of not so much the club and the football it plays,but certainly people have strong views and objections about the owners and the way the club is run.i myself have no opinion on the political so called side of the club,and no desire to be involved in that side of matters.but i do like to see open attractive football,and that is my only interest in watching the game.look forward to seeing you soon,regards rossi. |
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« Reply #305 on: January 25, 2011, 09:58:49 PM » |
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Certainly seems that the PEA/FC owners seem to be making rods for their own backs.
Do they really not think about things before they go on an ego trip?
I mean. Owner/Owner's wife going to collect a "Fans" award dressed in a different teams shirt!!!!
Who are you ?Total of 3 posts you are yet another expert on the running of Buriram PEA.I SENSE another partnership has been formed. Does it really matter how many posts you've done to have an opinion? If it does, then counting your 125 hardly makes you an expert on football in Buriram. Whats Buriram VA again? I take my hat off to Drury with over 1000 posts. Buriram VA that is VISION ASIA as if you did not no;-) Still does not explain why someone with 3 posts to there name has dived in with both feet and started slagging of Buriram PEA does it? Maybe he is an very informed guy who knows an awful lot about Thai football going back to the days of PEA Ayyuthaya, Chonburi Code Red etc but just didn't have an internet connection? On the other hand, in a week he could have 300 posts full of dribble, would that make him an expert in your opinion? |
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« Reply #306 on: January 25, 2011, 11:27:46 PM » |
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Certainly seems that the PEA/FC owners seem to be making rods for their own backs.
Do they really not think about things before they go on an ego trip?
I mean. Owner/Owner's wife going to collect a "Fans" award dressed in a different teams shirt!!!!
Who are you ?Total of 3 posts you are yet another expert on the running of Buriram PEA.I SENSE another partnership has been formed. He could have been reading the posts on here and having a laugh for a few months at his equivalent of Paddy's before signing on, just like you and Mark. BTW binnsy,with that red herring, you've managed to dodge the actual point being raised ....yet again :  |
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« Reply #307 on: January 25, 2011, 11:52:53 PM » |
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With 10 games remaining, can PEA really take the title?
Here's their remaining fixtures:
Week 21: Aug 16 - Home to Bangkok Uni
Week 22: Aug 23 - Away to Port Authority
Week 23: Aug 30 - Home to Chonburi
Week 24: Sep 3 - Away to BKK Bank
Week 25: Sep 6 - Home to TOT
Week 26: Sep 13 - Away to Chula
Week 27: Sep 20 - Home to Customs
Week 28: Sep 27 - Away to BEC
Week 29: Oct 4 - Home to Nakhon Pathom
Week 30: Oct 11 - Away to Coke Bangphra
30 points at stake, i'm predicting they can get 23 points out of that lot.
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« Reply #308 on: January 26, 2011, 11:56:39 AM » |
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I must admit that my first post about Buriram PEA was negative. I do have reasons for being negative. My subsequent posts, the ones that you reacted to Binnsy, also contained questions that are yet to be answered.
I thought this was a discussion forum. Don't discussions involve questions AND answers?
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« Reply #309 on: January 26, 2011, 12:58:41 PM » |
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I must admit that my first post about Buriram PEA was negative. I do have reasons for being negative. My subsequent posts, the ones that you reacted to Binnsy, also contained questions that are yet to be answered.
I thought this was a discussion forum. Don't discussions involve questions AND answers?
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« Reply #310 on: January 26, 2011, 01:13:22 PM » |
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As suggested in a previous post I have, indeed, been watching this forum for some time without actually posting anything.
I have been in Thailand for a long time and am quite facinated by the Thai football league and Thai football in general. I have been to see the National team play many times.
For along time it was incredibly under funded and many people were hoping that some investors would come along, not necesarily to particular teams but more like large league sponsors.
This would then enable the League administrators to increase prize money. The clubs could then pass on more money to the players and the players could then become professionals.
This would have a knock on effect of making the National team more competetive in the region and even enable them to, one day, reach the World Cup finals.
That was what I was hoping for anyway. For a few years this was happening.
Unfortuneately this is now not happening. To some the National team seems to mean nothing.
My first post was written with the intention of getting a reaction. Either from PEA supporters backing their team, PEA supporters citing other clubs or maybe supporters of other clubs agreeing with me.
So far we only have posts about the poster, me, and nothing about what I suggested.
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« Reply #312 on: January 26, 2011, 09:56:12 PM » |
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With 10 games remaining, can PEA really take the title?
Here's their remaining fixtures:
Week 21: Aug 16 - Home to Bangkok Uni
Week 22: Aug 23 - Away to Port Authority
Week 23: Aug 30 - Home to Chonburi
Week 24: Sep 3 - Away to BKK Bank
Week 25: Sep 6 - Home to TOT
Week 26: Sep 13 - Away to Chula
Week 27: Sep 20 - Home to Customs
Week 28: Sep 27 - Away to BEC
Week 29: Oct 4 - Home to Nakhon Pathom
Week 30: Oct 11 - Away to Coke Bangphra
30 points at stake, i'm predicting they can get 23 points out of that lot.
They actually got nineteen, DF. However, that was enough because we spluttered during the final third. If you care to listen to Binnsy, then you will notice PEA did not start playing until last year, so in theory they didn't win the championship, CFC did on a technicality. |
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« Reply #313 on: January 27, 2011, 07:07:46 AM » |
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then you will notice PEA did not start playing until last year.
BURIRAM PEA started last season yes or no?
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« Reply #314 on: January 27, 2011, 09:48:55 AM » |
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why this great hatred for the pea everyone is talking about fans being paid,hey so what sounds great to me going to a football game and getting paid yes please.the owners are no good,don't understand this ,from what i can see pea come from a very poor part of thailand with very little money in the province,and by the crowds they get must be doing something right,and on top of that building a new 24000 seated stadium.so they have money a great set of fans ,and looking for success,now please tell me what is wrong with that,is that not what every supporter in the world wants.maybe that is why so many people on here dislike them.because pea seem to be doing what everyone wants there own clubs to do,i think that's what you call envy.the whole set up at buriram looks fantastic and i am truly looking forward to watching them,good luck to all of them.
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« Reply #315 on: January 27, 2011, 09:52:12 AM » |
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why this great hatred for the pea everyone is talking about fans being paid,hey so what sounds great to me going to a football game and getting paid yes please.the owners are no good,don't understand this ,from what i can see pea come from a very poor part of thailand with very little money in the province,and by the crowds they get must be doing something right,and on top of that building a new 24000 seated stadium.so they have money a great set of fans ,and looking for success,now please tell me what is wrong with that,is that not what every supporter in the world wants.maybe that is why so many people on here dislike them.because pea seem to be doing what everyone wants there own clubs to do,i think that what you call envy.the whole set up at buriram looks fantastic and i am truly looking forward to watching them good luck to all of them.
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« Reply #316 on: January 27, 2011, 10:38:12 AM » |
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why this great hatred for the pea everyone is talking about fans being paid,hey so what sounds great to me going to a football game and getting paid yes please.the owners are no good,don't understand this ,from what i can see pea come from a very poor part of thailand with very little money in the province,and by the crowds they get must be doing something right,and on top of that building a new 24000 seated stadium.so they have money a great set of fans ,and looking for success,now please tell me what is wrong with that,is that not what every supporter in the world wants.maybe that is why so many people on here dislike them.because pea seem to be doing what everyone wants there own clubs to do,i think that what you call envy.the whole set up at buriram looks fantastic and i am truly looking forward to watching them good luck to all of them.
As I've said before, Rossi, we've already had this debate. Please don't stir things up. stir things up,no that was not my intention at all,making a statement open for discussion on a forum that is my only intention.and as i see it there is still a buriram pea topic,and further more no where have i read this topic is closed |
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« Reply #317 on: January 27, 2011, 10:40:23 AM » |
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« Reply #318 on: January 27, 2011, 10:55:41 AM » |
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I must admit that my first post about Buriram PEA was negative. I do have reasons for being negative. My subsequent posts, the ones that you reacted to Binnsy, also contained questions that are yet to be answered.
I thought this was a discussion forum. Don't discussions involve questions AND answers?
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« Reply #320 on: January 27, 2011, 01:45:42 PM » |
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"A great set of fans" "owners are no good"
These people are not fans. If they were they would go for free. I have been to see Buriram PEA a couple of times. I don't call people being told when to sit down,stand up, turn to the right, turn to the left, cheer, boo and clap their hands by a woman behind a megaphone as fans. To be honest it is laughable. Absolutely no passion about it.
Would a good owner tell their fans what to do?
If the fans are so great and are being so greatly appreciated by their owners why were they not allowed to go an recieve THEIR prize for best fans.
Would a good owner go themselves or would they allow the fans to go?
Also why is there only one Buriram PEA fan on this forum(Binnsy) Although rossi does seem to know rather alot about them for someone who has never been to see them play.
I'm afraid there is nothing here worth getting jealous about.
As Rossi himself said "a statement open for discussion on a forum that is my only intention".
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« Reply #321 on: January 27, 2011, 01:48:32 PM » |
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Binnsy is not the only P.E.A. fan on this forum. I for one think they are a great outfit as are Thai Port, Sisaget,Bangkok Glass for example. Nice to hear it Vinnie.
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« Reply #323 on: January 27, 2011, 03:11:35 PM » |
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Like I said before I am a fan of all things football in Thailand.
I just can't get my head around why some people behave in such ways. Maybe I am misunderstanding some things about PEA. Problem is that every time I ask a question no one at Pea answers me.
Maybe, if you are in the know, you could help me isanman.
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then you will notice PEA did not start playing until last year.
BURIRAM PEA started last season yes or no?
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When attending matches in the u.k. there is always a guy at any ground that starts off the chants.Yes or no?Mexican wave?Same.
Mung Chon, could you let us know which P.E.A. games you attended ? As I myself went to a couple.
We all go along for the craic.Enjoyment means money well spent.Let these people enjoy themselves.
The games I went to were great fun. Infact the Buriram fans created the atmosphere.
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When attending matches in the u.k. there is always a guy at any ground that starts off the chants.Yes or no?Mexican wave?Same.
Mung Chon, could you let us know which P.E.A. games you attended ? As I myself went to a couple.
We all go along for the craic.Enjoyment means money well spent.Let these people enjoy themselves.
The games I went to were great fun. Infact the Buriram fans created the atmosphere.
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Binnsy is not the only P.E.A. fan on this forum. I for one think they are a great outfit as are Thai Port, Sisaget,Bangkok Glass for example. Nice to hear it Vinnie.
are you a pea fan isanman,and will you be attending the opening game of the season in bangkok.i also am a new member on this forum, and i am very interested in finding out about pea football club,i have never before come across a club with so much ambition,and yet have such a negative feedback,this can only be a result of envy in my opinion. |
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Buriram is a very new club... Thai football is very young.
I think we should be glad about buriram.
They bring something new and fresh and its always nice to play against teams who bring large travelling support.
Buriram PEA was my best impression support wise last year at the thunderdome.
BG , Chonburi and Thai Port brought the same large following but the atmosphere was lacking.
Chonburi are really quiet for their mass, thai port also just had a tiny fraction continous supporting the team and BG was noisy until they trailed... then I couldnt make out more then 100 ppl supporting for the majority of the time.
And I rather see a club owner supporting fans who cant affort the game then the other way around. Though I think the motivation is something different then wanting to help fans see a football game who couldnt affort it...
But so be it... at some point people will also see through all of this and there will be a counterbalance and things will sort itself out. But as of now I think ppl in buriram are just excited to see football games with great atmostphere in packed stadiums and they want to enjoy it.
Personally iam glad to see buriram although I understand most and agree with most of the criticism...
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« Reply #332 on: January 29, 2011, 02:59:30 PM » |
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Buriram is a very new club... Thai football is very young.
I think we should be glad about buriram.
They bring something new and fresh and its always nice to play against teams who bring large travelling support.
Buriram PEA was my best impression support wise last year at the thunderdome.
BG , Chonburi and Thai Port brought the same large following but the atmosphere was lacking.
I agree that Buriram make things interesting and the fans are noisy. But man for man, TP were far noisier and more raw. I totally disagree to say the atmosphere was lacking with any of those teams you mention, they all made a lot of noise. Chonburi quitened down after they were losing though. |
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Well sure the atmostphere was great compared to games against army or TOT.
But those teams that brought 2 or 3k hfans which were BG , Chonburi and TP they actually had a very small fraction of active supporters.
And the thai port game was even until the last minutes of the game so you cant put it on them trailing. Sure theyre authentic and they get brutally loud at times but overall support wise its nothing that blows me away.
I think BG were the noisiest and had the best support of those 3 but sadly once they trailed it was the same picture. Only a few hundred at best active supporters.
Again atmosphere was good at those games compared to others but I rather speak about active support.
All those clubs have active supporters but the majority of the people dont get involved unless theres a corner a rouch fould or whatever .
At least thats how I saw it...
Buriram might not be as loud and look generic due that everyone has the same shirt... but again theyre in their first year and they bring 2 or 3k fans who almost all support actively for a full 90 minutes... they deserve credit for that wether they get their bis ride and ticket paid for or not! They come to support their team and represent their area like everyone else and do it pretty well.
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Well sure the atmostphere was great compared to games against army or TOT.
But those teams that brought 2 or 3k hfans which were BG , Chonburi and TP they actually had a very small fraction of active supporters.
And the thai port game was even until the last minutes of the game so you cant put it on them trailing. Sure theyre authentic and they get brutally loud at times but overall support wise its nothing that blows me away.
I think BG were the noisiest and had the best support of those 3 but sadly once they trailed it was the same picture. Only a few hundred at best active supporters.
Again atmosphere was good at those games compared to others but I rather speak about active support.
All those clubs have active supporters but the majority of the people dont get involved unless theres a corner a rouch fould or whatever .
At least thats how I saw it...
Buriram might not be as loud and look generic due that everyone has the same shirt... but again theyre in their first year and they bring 2 or 3k fans who almost all support actively for a full 90 minutes... they deserve credit for that wether they get their bis ride and ticket paid for or not! They come to support their team and represent their area like everyone else and do it pretty well.
Give them a few years and they will also get more raw and real.
I agree with what you are saying Toni. At the LEO, Buriram easily created the best atmosphere, next up was MTU and Sisaket. Chonburi weren't even close to those 3 on both occasions we played them at home last season. I can't really judge Thai Port at the LEO because a) there was nothing to play for and of course and b) they were planning to smash it up afterwards so their minds weren't really on the game. Whether people like or agree with it or not, PEA 'fans' do make for a great atmosphere. |
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« Reply #336 on: January 29, 2011, 09:52:26 PM » |
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Well sure the atmostphere was great compared to games against army or TOT.
But those teams that brought 2 or 3k hfans which were BG , Chonburi and TP they actually had a very small fraction of active supporters.
And the thai port game was even until the last minutes of the game so you cant put it on them trailing. Sure theyre authentic and they get brutally loud at times but overall support wise its nothing that blows me away.
I think BG were the noisiest and had the best support of those 3 but sadly once they trailed it was the same picture. Only a few hundred at best active supporters.
Again atmosphere was good at those games compared to others but I rather speak about active support.
All those clubs have active supporters but the majority of the people dont get involved unless theres a corner a rouch fould or whatever .
At least thats how I saw it...
Buriram might not be as loud and look generic due that everyone has the same shirt... but again theyre in their first year and they bring 2 or 3k fans who almost all support actively for a full 90 minutes... they deserve credit for that wether they get their bis ride and ticket paid for or not! They come to support their team and represent their area like everyone else and do it pretty well.
Give them a few years and they will also get more raw and real.
I agree with what you are saying Toni. At the LEO, Buriram easily created the best atmosphere, next up was MTU and Sisaket. Chonburi weren't even close to those 3 on both occasions we played them at home last season. I can't really judge Thai Port at the LEO because a) there was nothing to play for and of course and b) they were planning to smash it up afterwards so their minds weren't really on the game. Whether people like or agree with it or not, PEA 'fans' do make for a great atmosphere. An interesting thing has happened with the Chonburi support over the last couple of seasons. A lot of the people who have been going for years, and who were responsible for introducing the fan culture into Thai league football, have either stopped going as often or have distanced themselves from the new breed of fan. They tend to stand away from the main body of supporters and don't get involved in the singing and chanting. I pointed this out to Vinnie at the last match of last season against Osotspa. The "old guard" were mainly standing at the back of the stand just drinking and watching the match. This is definitely a deliberate decision. And one I personally find quite refreshing. |
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« Reply #337 on: January 29, 2011, 10:02:03 PM » |
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Well sure the atmostphere was great compared to games against army or TOT.
But those teams that brought 2 or 3k hfans which were BG , Chonburi and TP they actually had a very small fraction of active supporters.
And the thai port game was even until the last minutes of the game so you cant put it on them trailing. Sure theyre authentic and they get brutally loud at times but overall support wise its nothing that blows me away.
I think BG were the noisiest and had the best support of those 3 but sadly once they trailed it was the same picture. Only a few hundred at best active supporters.
Again atmosphere was good at those games compared to others but I rather speak about active support.
All those clubs have active supporters but the majority of the people dont get involved unless theres a corner a rouch fould or whatever .
At least thats how I saw it...
Buriram might not be as loud and look generic due that everyone has the same shirt... but again theyre in their first year and they bring 2 or 3k fans who almost all support actively for a full 90 minutes... they deserve credit for that wether they get their bis ride and ticket paid for or not! They come to support their team and represent their area like everyone else and do it pretty well.
Give them a few years and they will also get more raw and real.
I agree with what you are saying Toni. At the LEO, Buriram easily created the best atmosphere, next up was MTU and Sisaket. Chonburi weren't even close to those 3 on both occasions we played them at home last season. I can't really judge Thai Port at the LEO because a) there was nothing to play for and of course and b) they were planning to smash it up afterwards so their minds weren't really on the game. Whether people like or agree with it or not, PEA 'fans' do make for a great atmosphere. An interesting thing has happened with the Chonburi support over the last couple of seasons. A lot of the people who have been going for years, and who were responsible for introducing the fan culture into Thai league football, have either stopped going as often or have distanced themselves from the new breed of fan. They tend to stand away from the main body of supporters and don't get involved in the singing and chanting. I pointed this out to Vinnie at the last match of last season against Osotspa. The "old guard" were mainly standing at the back of the stand just drinking and watching the match. This is definitely a deliberate decision. And one I personally find quite refreshing. Chonburi's away support that day was an interesting study. Of the 1000 or so there, about half weren't in club colours nor were they joining in with the singing. |
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« Reply #338 on: January 29, 2011, 10:12:33 PM » |
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Well sure the atmostphere was great compared to games against army or TOT.
But those teams that brought 2 or 3k hfans which were BG , Chonburi and TP they actually had a very small fraction of active supporters.
And the thai port game was even until the last minutes of the game so you cant put it on them trailing. Sure theyre authentic and they get brutally loud at times but overall support wise its nothing that blows me away.
I think BG were the noisiest and had the best support of those 3 but sadly once they trailed it was the same picture. Only a few hundred at best active supporters.
Again atmosphere was good at those games compared to others but I rather speak about active support.
All those clubs have active supporters but the majority of the people dont get involved unless theres a corner a rouch fould or whatever .
At least thats how I saw it...
Buriram might not be as loud and look generic due that everyone has the same shirt... but again theyre in their first year and they bring 2 or 3k fans who almost all support actively for a full 90 minutes... they deserve credit for that wether they get their bis ride and ticket paid for or not! They come to support their team and represent their area like everyone else and do it pretty well.
Give them a few years and they will also get more raw and real.
I agree with what you are saying Toni. At the LEO, Buriram easily created the best atmosphere, next up was MTU and Sisaket. Chonburi weren't even close to those 3 on both occasions we played them at home last season. I can't really judge Thai Port at the LEO because a) there was nothing to play for and of course and b) they were planning to smash it up afterwards so their minds weren't really on the game. Whether people like or agree with it or not, PEA 'fans' do make for a great atmosphere. An interesting thing has happened with the Chonburi support over the last couple of seasons. A lot of the people who have been going for years, and who were responsible for introducing the fan culture into Thai league football, have either stopped going as often or have distanced themselves from the new breed of fan. They tend to stand away from the main body of supporters and don't get involved in the singing and chanting. I pointed this out to Vinnie at the last match of last season against Osotspa. The "old guard" were mainly standing at the back of the stand just drinking and watching the match. This is definitely a deliberate decision. And one I personally find quite refreshing. Chonburi's away support that day was an interesting study. Of the 1000 or so there, about half weren't in club colours nor were they joining in with the singing. It's the same at all the matches. And, as I said in my previous post, it's very much a reaction against the current trend. |
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« Reply #339 on: January 29, 2011, 10:58:07 PM » |
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I get why not to wear team trikots, scarfs or paint your face.
But why seize to support, thats more a form of protest to me then anything else. And I dont think the club or the new kind of fan has done anything to deserve that. imho
Ill repost in chonburi thread so this one doesnt get hijacked...
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« Reply #340 on: January 29, 2011, 11:00:46 PM » |
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I get why not to wear team trikots, scarfs or paint your face.
But why seize to support, thats more a form of protest to me then anything else. And I dont think the club or the new kind of fan has done anything to deserve that. imho
Singing and dancing isn't for everyone. People can support their team however they see fit. The fans in question care enough to travel from Chonburi to Saraburi for a meaningless end-of-season match when they had a much more important FA Cup semi-final match coming up the very next weekend. |
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« Reply #341 on: January 29, 2011, 11:10:26 PM » |
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You dont have to dance... but normally people chant for their team.
Especially away supporters...
And this is clearly not a case of just not wanting to dance and sing... it is more a kind of protest from what SRS said.
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« Reply #342 on: January 29, 2011, 11:17:40 PM » |
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You dont have to dance... but normally people chant for their team.
Especially away supporters...
And this is clearly not a case of just not wanting to dance and sing... it is more a kind of protest from what SRS said.
It's not a protest. It's just evolution. A lot of the fans who have been going for a long time just tend to stick together and support the team in their own way. There are even groups within groups. A similar thing happened in England during the early '80's with the Casuals. They didn't wear club colours and tended to keep away from the main body of fans. This is very similar. I don't think there's any resentment towards the "new" fans but relationships have been forged over a number of years and they'd rather stay with their mates. I've never really been a singer or a chanter so it suits me and my style of football supporting. |
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Toni
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« Reply #343 on: January 29, 2011, 11:41:06 PM » |
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Not trying to take away from anyone... anyone does what they enjoy and im glad if you just have a good time.
But as the BG man put it... " Whether people like or agree with it or not, PEA 'fans' do make for a great atmosphere. "
And say people get they bus ride and ticket paid for...
I dont know how far is Buriram from BKK.. but I assume its something around a six hour busride.
I dont know about others but riding six hours in a bus is exactly the funnest thing in the world. And if you dont like football you certainly dont sit in a bus six hours to stand the next 2 hours singing and dancing if you dont love it. Its not like people get paid wages to do that, they get their expenses paid for but you still have to love what your doing.
I think the PEA fans who do travel love football, love their city and they love to support their team. And I give them credit for it.
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« Reply #344 on: January 30, 2011, 01:19:41 AM » |
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I think the PEA fans who do travel love football, love their city and they love to support their team. And I give them credit for it.
If they love there football thn why not love Buriram FC rather than the company team that was dragged in and could just as easily be pushed back out? |
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« Reply #345 on: January 30, 2011, 01:34:07 AM » |
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I dont know where they were. Where have been all the MTU fans 4 years ago... where have been all the BG fans 2 years ago... Nobody is pointing the finger at them.
They go their new found clubs because its fun, its cool and they enjoy it.
And so do buriram people.
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« Reply #346 on: January 30, 2011, 01:45:02 AM » |
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I dont know where they were. Where have been all the MTU fans 4 years ago... where have been all the BG fans 2 years ago... Nobody is pointing the finger at them.
They go their new found clubs because its fun, its cool and they enjoy it.
And so do buriram people.
Actually people do point the fingers at MTU and do ask the question, where did they all come from. BG only started 2 years ago, and have always had a good backing. Did anyone from Buriram support PEA 2 years ago? No, did they support Buriram, no. Do they support PEA and Buriram since they got paid, yes. It will be interesting to see what happens to the likes of MTU when they do keep winning titles, when they stop will the fans stop? As for PEA, when they move out of town will the fans continue to follow them? They don't seem to have an issue with a 6 hour busride now, so will they have an issue when PEA are playing home games in Bangkok? Will they just follow Buriram even if they don't get paid? Like you said they follow their new found clubs because it's fun and cool, yes it will be for the likes of MTU and BG and yes for the most of them they were newly found as beforre 2008 these clubs hardly went out of there way to generate a supporter base and with MTU they are probably lucky the supporter abse came to them. But with Buriam people, when it started was it fun and cool? No it wasn't, it was picking up money, it might be fun and cool now, but it wasn't from day one. No one's ever gotten at PEA on the field, they are a good team, it's just the strange issues of the field that make the disucssion, but we put our point across and get bitten back at by what we are told loyal PEA supporters, who think they were formed last year, so loyal that they can't see any of the history behind them. |
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« Reply #347 on: January 30, 2011, 02:10:41 AM » |
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Drury I get you.
As I said I understand and agree with the criticism.
PEA are the same as BG and MTU... its new its cool its popular and its enjoyable to support a team.
Sure if success seizes people will disappear and only the true loyal fans will stand standing.
But thats the the same in every corner of the world... not just Buriram.
I also dont agree with binnsy... when he uses the words " hardcore supporter " and " loyal " .
My club has drawn 19000 spectators in the last home gome... they play 3rd tier. However 2001 we played 4th tier and I was at a friday night game with 900 people... the same team! So believe I actually know what hardcore and loyal means...
I also dont think that everyone in Buriram is a rice farmer who cant affort fifty baht every 2 weeks to visit a game!
I dont agree with whats going on there... I just dont like when people are beeing bashed as whole and good things are looked over and only the bad things are hold up. Then it ineed looks like envy.
You have to really appreciate those people havent watched a football game b4 in their entire life... they dont understand whats beeing done to them.
But one thing iam sure about... they just enjoy to watch a football game in a crackling atmosphere just like anyone who visits MTU BG TP Chonburi and who else.
And again I dont think we should take away from PEA fans... its not their fault their club is beeing managed as they are. We should welcome and appreciate the good things they bring and keep critizing the bad. But sometimes I get the feeling PEA fans are only critized by some and every opportunity is used to say something negative.
And I think this is actually fueled by binnsy with his way of argueing about things...
Im just trying to present a more balanced view of whats going.
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« Reply #348 on: January 30, 2011, 02:51:09 AM » |
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I agree with you there Toni, i do think it's kind of the Thai way to enjoy yourself no matter where your going. For instance i could drag my wife kicking and screaming to a Buriram game but she would enjoy herself with the chanting etc, whereas I'd be more focused on the game, my highlight might be the 30 yard cracker, her's would be when everyone chanted a name in a syncorised way.
Buriram, whichever club it may be has never been talked about so much on here. But now we have Binnsy to answer questions just like we have with Greg, Dale and Andy in such threads, but with regards to them threads where you get a feel for whats happening, you get an honest opinion most of the time, here at Buriram we get the reply 'you've only done 3 posts, are you an expert?. I personally don't think Binnsy has ever answered a question and he wonders why we just keep shooting away.
All the members on here as fair as I'm concerned are very imformative, they aren't out to get anyone, they just want to understand whats happening. We think we know whats happening, but just to confirm we ask the questions, when these bounce back at us like we are attacking someone, then we know the questions we ask are correct.
No one has ever criticised the fans, the people on here who have been to there games as an away fan will criticise the club witht he way they are handled and comment on how strange it is to see the whole home support carted in, kitted out, thats never happened where i've been, but Binnsy doesn't see this as unusual, I guess i need to see Ipswich in action here, a club formed as Ipswich FC and merged with Ipswich Rugby Club, but i guess this early history doesn't matter to Binnsy, it was all before Town.
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« Reply #349 on: January 30, 2011, 06:05:57 AM » |
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PEA are the same as BG and MTU... its new its cool its popular and its enjoyable to support a team. Nope. PEA was around for ages. Buriram-PEA is new and cool ...fitting your words and comparision than. And even than you would be able to find differences between those three. |
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