Muang Thong United Thread

[the_englishman]

I imagine it's just playing around, though I can think of several people who would not appreciate the joke. He's a young player  who probably isn't used to this much attention, perhaps someone needs to have a gentle word with him.

[BangkokGlassBunny]

I imagine it's just playing around, though I can think of several people who would not appreciate the joke. He's a young player  who probably isn't used to this much attention, perhaps someone needs to have a gentle word with him.

True or not, I'm sure he will get into trouble for this.
A few MTU fans have picked up on it already.


oh, and sources tell me that we had a huge offer rejected for Kawin during transfer window, heard anything about that one?

[the_englishman]

Yes :-)

[lokomotive]

And I was there! The two coach loads of SriRacha fans outnumbered the home support on that day.

I was pretty much sure that you were there. Well at least  one thing will change next year. MTU will outnumber Siracha Fans.

[BangkokGlassBunny]

It's a bit late, but better late than never..

http://bangkokglassfc.webs.com/apps/blog/show/4567547-bg-man-interview-with-kawin-thamsatchanan

BG Man interviews Kawin

[BangkokGlassBunny]

Good and fair match report Greg
We did exactly the same against Chonburi on their patch... We really need a top goal scorer badly.

btw... yes, the reason Moussa didn't play was contractual

How many fans does the North End hold... We were pretty tightly packed in (but not so much so that it dangerous).. It made for a great atmosphere.

And your Buriram preview was a good read too... interesting comments from the Pattaya fan. Every one of us who has been there has said EXACTLY the same thing now..

[the_englishman]

And what do you need to hear less than 24 hours before setting off on a long journey to Buriram for a 1600 kick off?

KICK OFF CHANGED TO 1800.

Thanks TFA/Buriram, that means I'll be in at work on Monday with less than 3 hours sleep.

[the_englishman]

Good and fair match report Greg
We did exactly the same against Chonburi on their patch... We really need a top goal scorer badly.

btw... yes, the reason Moussa didn't play was contractual

How many fans does the North End hold... We were pretty tightly packed in (but not so much so that it dangerous).. It made for a great atmosphere.

And your Buriram preview was a good read too... interesting comments from the Pattaya fan. Every one of us who has been there has said EXACTLY the same thing now..

Thanks mate! Not sure about the capacity of the NS.

The 'Facebook' incident has been officially declared a joke lost in translation.

[SriRachaShark]

And what do you need to hear less than 24 hours before setting off on a long journey to Buriram for a 1600 kick off?

KICK OFF CHANGED TO 1800.

Thanks TFA/Buriram, that means I'll be in at work on Monday with less than 3 hours sleep.

It could have been worse. You could have arrived at 4:00pm to find out they'd kicked off at 2:00pm.!!

[BangkokGlassBunny]

And what do you need to hear less than 24 hours before setting off on a long journey to Buriram for a 1600 kick off?

KICK OFF CHANGED TO 1800.

Thanks TFA/Buriram, that means I'll be in at work on Monday with less than 3 hours sleep.

Also it does mean you get some respite from the sun, because there is absolutely no shelter what-so-ever... better hope it doesn't chuck it down.

Anyway, try to enjoy it... and give PEA Man a smack around the head from me.

Don't forget your umbrella

[the_englishman]

OK the report is on my blog, here's just a few summarising points -

- As expected: masses upon masses of people in the same shirt.

- New experience - being recognised from my football blog by a non-Quilin. Several people seemed to take offence to my North Korea comment and it seems possible I was misquoted on it. One fan mention you by name too, Dale :-)

- Security didn't seem so bad to me. The confiscations seem bizarre and pointless, though.

- Terrible waterlogging of the pitch made the game scrappy.

- There really are now words to describe the ref. I noticed Pattaya fans reported a bizarre second half with the ref in their game at Buriram, too.

- Buriram probably deserved the win though.

- Like Andy, I find it hard to know what to make of the whole Buriram experience, it's all very unique and slightly surreal. I just want to get even with them.

[BKK73]

The pitch looked like it had taken a battering with rain. They should have been playing water polo on it rather than football.

Also the coverage of the game on NBT 11 was well shoddy. I reckon the television crew must have enjoyed a few free Changs in the hospitality suite before the game. They couldn't keep track of the ball.

[the_englishman]

The goal. Do you see what I see?

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[BKK_Mackem]

I could see what appeared to be either lasers or very illuminous bugs flying in front of the camera. If they were lasers, then it was pretty stupid bearing in mind they were almost as likely to put off Douglas (the striker) as the goalie. Not as off-putting as a beach ball though!

Anyway, BG will do you a favour and beat Buriram next month. If they can't beat them fair and square, I'm sure BG man will use his super powers to overcome Newin's mafia.

[the_englishman]

Interesting. Actually I didn't see that, but I saw an offside goal and a handball :-)

[BKK_Mackem]

I didn't see anything wrong with the goal ... a foul, handball, offside and flashing laser pens are no reason to disallow a goal. There must be a reasonable amount of intent. Newin will confirm that it was all accidental.

By the way, when does Buriram's North Korean tour start?

[the_englishman]

By the way, when does Buriram's North Korean tour start?

Hey you'll get me in trouble again :-)

[BKK_Mackem]

By the way, when does Buriram's North Korean tour start?

Hey you'll get me in trouble again :-)

Listen, don't mention the war! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right. So! It's all forgotten now, and let's hear no more about it.

[Vinnie]

Mackem, just a thought: Thai Port and BG already have fan sites. Are they any other local teams around you that you could start a fan site for?

With all due respect I'd rather follow Thai Port or BG than my closest team ... the army!

I didn't use to like the state teams either but I've developed a soft spot for the Army. This season they've come across as the plucky little underdogs trying to hold their own against the marketing machines of some of the bigger clubs. Army staying up would be a much bigger achievement than Bangkok United staying up.
If I lived in Bangkok and had to choose a team it would be Bangkok FC, Rajpracha or the Army.

Arrrgghhhh! We are NOT Bangkok!
:-)

Come on, t_e. Next you'll be telling us that Oldham isn't in Manchester and Siracha isn't in Pattaya!

[BKK_Mackem]

Berwick Rangers aren't from Scotland and Cardiff City aren't from England and yet they have the cheek to play in neighbouring countries

[the_englishman]

SP 1 MTU 2

[wolfman]

A bit old now, but Yaya scored on his first start with KAA Ghent in Belgium. He scored Ghent's first goal in a 3-1 away victory over Charleroi. Charleroi went ahead after 14 minutes, before Yaya equalised in the 32nd. This was his first goal with his new club. Ghent's second goal was scored on 45 minutes by Steyn der Smet, and substitute El Ghanassi. El Ghanassi replaced Yaya, but I'm not sure whether he came on in the 66th minute, or scored then.   

[the_englishman]

MTU 1 SP 1
A good game spoilt by ridiculous levels of cheating by the away team and another set of terrible, incompetent and weak minded officials. Mini-report up later.

[SriRachaShark]

Mackem, just a thought: Thai Port and BG already have fan sites. Are they any other local teams around you that you could start a fan site for?

With all due respect I'd rather follow Thai Port or BG than my closest team ... the army!

I didn't use to like the state teams either but I've developed a soft spot for the Army. This season they've come across as the plucky little underdogs trying to hold their own against the marketing machines of some of the bigger clubs. Army staying up would be a much bigger achievement than Bangkok United staying up.
If I lived in Bangkok and had to choose a team it would be Bangkok FC, Rajpracha or the Army.

Arrrgghhhh! We are NOT Bangkok!
:-)

Come on, t_e. Next you'll be telling us that Oldham isn't in Manchester and Siracha isn't in Pattaya!

How are things in Buriram, Vinnie? Remember all those PEA shirts we saw?

[druryfire]

MTU 1 SP 1
A good game spoilt by ridiculous levels of cheating by the away team and another set of terrible, incompetent and weak minded officials. Mini-report up later.

Isn't that expected from an RL side against the TPL Champs? They got the result they wanted. They go home in their eyes as winners after that draw.

[Vinnie]

MTU 1 SP 1
A good game spoilt by ridiculous levels of cheating by the away team and another set of terrible, incompetent and weak minded officials. Mini-report up later.

Isn't that expected from an RL side against the TPL Champs? They got the result they wanted. They go home in their eyes as winners after that draw.

I guess you would expect it to an extent given the nature of the fixture but particularly so because the match involved Samut Prakan. From receiving 12 reds and 45 yellows in 2008 (in 20 games!!) to several walk-offs last year, there seems to be a culture of indiscipline at that club.

[the_englishman]

MTU 1 SP 1
A good game spoilt by ridiculous levels of cheating by the away team and another set of terrible, incompetent and weak minded officials. Mini-report up later.

Isn't that expected from an RL side against the TPL Champs? They got the result they wanted. They go home in their eyes as winners after that draw.

But that doesn't make it right or any easier to accept for fans of the other team does it?
And as Vinnie said, SP have a reputation for being nasty and they lived up to it. Even in Thailand, there are some refs who don't put up with such nonsense, but yesterday they just caved in.
To be fair, when SP tried to play football, they did so very well.

[Vinnie]

MTU 1 SP 1
A good game spoilt by ridiculous levels of cheating by the away team and another set of terrible, incompetent and weak minded officials. Mini-report up later.

Isn't that expected from an RL side against the TPL Champs? They got the result they wanted. They go home in their eyes as winners after that draw.

To be fair, when SP tries to play football, they did so very well.

The move for their goal was excellent, although the finish was fortunate.

[druryfire]

But that doesn't make it right or any easier to accept for fans of the other team does it?

This is football Greg, you don't play to the opposing fans do you? You set out your game plan. Is there any suprise what SP did? If they didn't have a game plan then they would have lost 7-0.

What would you prefer, a contest or a walkover?

[the_englishman]

But that doesn't make it right or any easier to accept for fans of the other team does it?

This is football Greg, you don't play to the opposing fans do you? You set out your game plan. Is there any suprise what SP did? If they didn't have a game plan then they would have lost 7-0.

What would you prefer, a contest or a walkover?

Your first point summed it up.
I would perefer a game of football, not an acting contest where players roll around like they've been shot every five minutes. If you think it's OK to behave like that because the other team are in a higher league or that that's the only gameplan , then we obviously have very different ideas about football.

[druryfire]

But that doesn't make it right or any easier to accept for fans of the other team does it?

This is football Greg, you don't play to the opposing fans do you? You set out your game plan. Is there any suprise what SP did? If they didn't have a game plan then they would have lost 7-0.

What would you prefer, a contest or a walkover?

Your first point summed it up.
I would perefer a game of football, not an acting contest where players roll around like they've been shot every five minutes. If you think it's OK to behave like that because the other team are in a higher league or that that's the only gameplan , then we obviously have very different ideas about football.

Football at the highest level in any country is about winning. You can't show your opponents to much respect otherwise we wouldn't have had a contest.

SP played like they did because they were playing a team mucher higher up the league pyramid, what else would you expect from them? It's Muangthong who should have the class to overcome it. They didn't, so all we here is that the other team played for time. SP seem to have a reputation, but none of us here have seen them in action, but they are also winners and adapted their game for this big occasion for them.

It does seem that everytime Muangthong struggle, it's because the other time didn't play to their rules of open football. We had this in the ACL qualifier. But why should teams bend over to MTU? Lets see what happens when MT play in the AFC Cup, we could see a reverse happen.

Your comments about them rolling are obviously from someone very frustrated or hasn't played the game, but this is Thai football and it happens.

My idea of football, and knowing well since i've played it a reasonably high level is to win. I don't care about the fans that paid to watch, I care about stopping the opponent and winning and breaking up the game in tight matches is part of it. It happens everywhere in the world. If you can't stand it, then you need to get out of watching the pro game and go to the parks with jumpers for goalposts.

Don't forget though Greg, but MTU played like this years ago under the name of Mueang Thong NongJork United. It seems they ditched the rolling over when they also ditched there founding name.

[the_englishman]

OK so what you are saying is that football is about winning at any cost, and in saying that you are saying that time wasting- cheating and being dishonest - is a legitimate tactic.

So do you then think that bribing the ref is a deliberate tactic? If not, why not? By your logic, it is perfectly legitimate and nobody should complain if it happens.

I don't follow the logic in your saying that my frustration at their rolling around implies I have not played the game or the relevancy of your comments regarding your own experience. The MT players on the pitch were also frustrated, it's a totally human reaction.  The frustration comes from wanting to continue the game. What has that got to do with experience?

Likewise I don't see the relevance of your comments regarding MTU, because I've never said they were angels.

As I said perhaps it comes down to different values. I believe - and I think most people believe regardless of whether they claim to have played at a reasonably high level or not - that football should be won by playing football - you appear to believe that the game of football should be won by any method, regardless of its relevance to football skill. I hate to think what would happen to football if we went down that road. So we will never see eye to eye on this.

[BangkokGlassBunny]

OK so what you are saying is that football is about winning at any cost, and in saying that you are saying that time wasting- cheating and being dishonest - is a legitimate tactic.

So do you then think that bribing the ref is a deliberate tactic? If not, why not? By your logic, it is perfectly legitimate and nobody should complain if it happens.

I don't follow the logic in your saying that my frustration at their rolling around implies I have not played the game or the relevancy of your comments regarding your own experience. The MT players on the pitch were also frustrated, it's a totally human reaction.  The frustration comes from wanting to continue the game. What has that got to do with experience?

Likewise I don't see the relevance of your comments regarding MTU, because I've never said they were angels.

As I said perhaps it comes down to different values. I believe - and I think most people believe regardless of whether they claim to have played at a reasonably high level or not - that football should be won by playing football - you appear to believe that the game of football should be won by any method, regardless of its relevance to football skill. I hate to think what would happen to football if we went down that road. So we will never see eye to eye on this.

I agree with both of you with certain points you make.

I think Drury's point that you must expect that from certain teams, particularly lower league teams is correct.

I have never had a problem with teams that put 10 men behind the ball, or punt the ball in the corner flag time and time again and I really hate it when people moan about other teams negative tactics. They have to play what is best for them, not your team or the fans. Defending is still a legitimate tactic in football, although you wouldn't think it the way some people moan about it.

Most teams will obviously play to try to frustrate and contain the stronger team and of course teams, players, fans will get frustrated... that's the idea.

However where I agree with Greg, is that it must happen within the laws of the game. Diving and faking injuries are supposedly not within the rules of the game, simulation and out right cheating. The referee's are there for a reason and 'should' deal with these situations.

So back to your points... Yes as Drury said, Muang Thong should have expected it and had the class to not let it frustrate them, but as Greg said, the referees should have dealt with it more but we all know 9 times out of 10, they don't.

BG had a similar problem with Samut Songkhram earlier in the season and unfortunately BG didn't have the 'class' to deal with the frustration and ended up getting 2 players sent off and losing.

One the day, I didn't have a problem with SS's 10 men behind the ball or the long balls and general dullness of their play, it's their prerogative. I had 2 problems, one is that they were blatantly cheating and the other was BG's inability to deal with it, but at the end of the day SS's game plan worked a treat, so I'm sure they will do it every time they can get away with it.

And whilst it should be the referee's job to stop any cheating, I try to never blame a referee, especially in this county. Their jobs are close to impossible as it is, with out the fear of being punched on the nose or subjected to teams walking off if they make a decision someone doesn't like or suspended by the FAT for saying a goal was offside. And for what?? I don't know what they get paid, but I'm sure it's very little.

At the end of the day, the players and teams must take more responsibility. There are ways to play negative and containing football without cheating.

edit....

And it appears the national associations now have the power to ban players for diving.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/scot_prem/8968115.stm
We'll see if the FAT put their new found power to good use.

[BKK_Mackem]

Rolling, diving, faking, cheating ... every club does it now. It's an unfortunate part of the game but it happens in amateur football too. You'll see it on a Saturday afternoon or Sunday morning in park league football. Players 'try' to copy everything that they see on TV. If the authorities at the top level really clamp down on shirt pulling, diving, etc. the same standards are likely to filter down to all levels of football. So, it comes as no surprise that any team tries to con the referee to gain an advantage. Shouldn't happen, but it does.

Let's remember that it's the controversy in football that makes it so interesting to so many.

 

They copy daft celebrations, they copy simulation

[SriRachaShark]

"And whilst it should be the referee's job to stop any cheating, I try to never blame a referee, especially in this county. Their jobs are close to impossible as it is, with out the fear of being punched on the nose or subjected to teams walking off if they make a decision someone doesn't like or suspended by the FAT for saying a goal was offside. And for what?? I don't know what they get paid, but I'm sure it's very little.

At the end of the day, the players and teams must take more responsibility. There are ways to play negative and containing football without cheating."


Spot on, BGB.

[the_englishman]

"And whilst it should be the referee's job to stop any cheating, I try to never blame a referee, especially in this county. Their jobs are close to impossible as it is, with out the fear of being punched on the nose or subjected to teams walking off if they make a decision someone doesn't like or suspended by the FAT for saying a goal was offside. And for what?? I don't know what they get paid, but I'm sure it's very little.

At the end of the day, the players and teams must take more responsibility. There are ways to play negative and containing football without cheating."


Spot on, BGB.

I agree with the sentiment, and I certainly agree with Andy's point that you cannot and should not complain against negative tactics, etc. that *is* part of football and should be broken down by the better team. However, to class fake injuries as negative football that a better team should deal with is actually wrong. A player suddenly decides he is dying, the ref allows the stretcher team on, play is stopped. How can that be overcome by the opposition?

Perhaps we need to be clear about what we are discussing here in terms of what is tactical and what is cheating because when drury says win at *any* cost, then he is saying it is ok to bribe the ref, break the legs of the star player in the youth team game, anything. That's not football and that's certainly not the way I was taught to look at things. If we all thought like that, there would be no beautiful game.

[druryfire]

Perhaps we need to be clear about what we are discussing here in terms of what is tactical and what is cheating because when drury says win at *any* cost, then he is saying it is ok to bribe the ref, break the legs of the star player in the youth team game, anything. That's not football and that's certainly not the way I was taught to look at things. If we all thought like that, there would be no beautiful game.

I don't ever remember saying to bribe a ref or break someones legs. Don't know where this came from greg. Possbily you've been speaking to RP too much??

Andy was correct in everything I was trying to get through.

But Greg, what do you prefer? Turn up to watch your team get beat or to win? You watch them to win. If you didn't mind, you would go to Nonthaburi or Raj every week just to watch the game without any regard for the result.


Greg, you obviously must have been brought up in Brazil, because I've never seen a beautiful game in the UK like you must have seen. Theres no flowing football, just big kick after kick. Yes, no diving, but it happens everywhere else.  I've always seen a contest. Hard, niggly tackles. But you don't complain, you get up and do it back. It's part of the game and if you can't handle it, you shouldn't be doing it.

[the_englishman]

Perhaps we need to be clear about what we are discussing here in terms of what is tactical and what is cheating because when drury says win at *any* cost, then he is saying it is ok to bribe the ref, break the legs of the star player in the youth team game, anything. That's not football and that's certainly not the way I was taught to look at things. If we all thought like that, there would be no beautiful game.

I don't ever remember saying to bribe a ref or break someones legs. Don't know where this came from greg. Possbily you've been speaking to RP too much??

Andy was correct in everything I was trying to get through.

But Greg, what do you prefer? Turn up to watch your team get beat or to win? You watch them to win. If you didn't mind, you would go to Nonthaburi or Raj every week just to watch the game without any regard for the result.


Greg, you obviously must have been brought up in Brazil, because I've never seen a beautiful game in the UK like you must have seen. Theres no flowing football, just big kick after kick. Yes, no diving, but it happens everywhere else.  I've always seen a contest. Hard, niggly tackles. But you don't complain, you get up and do it back. It's part of the game and if you can't handle it, you shouldn't be doing it.

Let me try and explain again, Drury; you are firmly coming across as justifying blatant contempt for the rules in the name of: "win at all costs". So my point is: why stop at fake injuries? If you win at all costs and sod the rules (that are there to protect the game, the players and the fans) then bribe the ref, break the other team's legs, knock out the ref if you can get away with it. There is absolutely no difference between that and faking injury in your argument because you have clearly implied that win at all costs in your book has no moral boundaries.

Also, as I've tried to explain, I want my team to win but I want them to do that within the rules of the game. That, to me, is a very simple and easy to follow distinction between my values and yours on this issue.

A couple more pointers: it's been implied that we should expect a D2 team to cheat against a TPL team. Fair enough, but compare Nonthaburi Vs BG and MTU Vs SP. Nontahburi did indeed play the 'fake injury' card a couple of times and I don't like that, but most of the game they simply played to a slow pace, allowed the ball to run out of play, etc. Perfectly legitimate tactics. That's how you you play negatively but fairly. I've said before: if you want to waste time then take the ball to the corner flag and hold it, p;lay short and slow passes, etc. It's basic tactics that we all know well.

Finally, regarding comments from Dale, Andy and Drury regarding the overcoming of time wasting, etc. It's just possible that we do it better than anyone else. We've lost three games this season: BG beat us in the last minute with no time wasting, Police did time-waste but we were poor that game anyway (see my report) and against Buriram we were up against a lot more than just time wasting and nobody who went to that game can truly doubt it. But I repeat, Drury - not to be aggressive but just to make clear why I can't understand your views on this - in your book, what happened at Buriram is perfectly acceptable because it helped Buriram to win. The handball, offside, and foul goal is perfectly fair play.

[the_englishman]

I don't ever remember saying to bribe a ref or break someones legs. Don't know where this came from greg. Possbily you've been speaking to RP too much??


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Boom boom!

[druryfire]

Greg, football is a tactical game just like any other. SP players went down like they were shot yes, but it's also playing for time, breaking up the game. Yes it's frustrating for MTU fans but for SP fans it gives them a breather, it keeps them calm, it disturbs the big boys. What do you expect from an RL team against an TPL team??? You stop the rythem of the other team. It's full timers against part timers, surely it's expected??

Surely you know this from following Southampton?


YouR Buriram example, your trying to make it out now that I just like to cheat to win? Your not listening to what I say. SP players roll over, buy a bit of time, take off the pressure. They didn't foul there way to victory. Thats what seemed to happen with Buriram. 

The tactic SP used can be used by anyone including MTU. I don't condone cheating to win by using hands and offsides, (is it Burirams fault for not being caught offside?) and foul goal (is it not the ref who should catch this?)

Your other example of playing short passes, going to the corner flag, yes do it. But can an RL team really do this against the TPL Champs? Surely not, you know this well. MTU could do it because they are much better than an RL team. Hopefully, FAT, Toyota or whoever will cancel the whole tournament as it obviously doesn't suit anyone to see little clubs disturbing the bigger clubs.

[wolfman]

edit....

And it appears the national associations now have the power to ban players for diving.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/scot_prem/8968115.stm
We'll see if the FAT put their new found power to good use.

I think the FFA will apply this is a dive brings a benefit (i.e. a penalty/goal). Having players banned is still cold comfort for the teams that have been denied points, but it's a step in the right direction. There is some cynicism amongst fans, as the teams that lost points because of the dives were from Sydney and Melbourne. It's early days, but now all eyes are on the A-League to see if they follow through and apply this throughout the season, and consistently for all teams, big and little.

[the_englishman]

Drury, I do expect lower league teams to break the game of the higher teams but as I said, there is more than one way to do it, hence my contrasting examples of Nonthaburi and SP.
I think if you are being honest you'll see I've made some good points here.
I disagree with you about the TLC I think it's a good idea in principle that has been poorly timed.

[BKK_Mackem]

Blimey! It's like a Thai soap opera in here ....

[druryfire]

Drury, I do expect lower league teams to break the game of the higher teams but as I said, there is more than one way to do it, hence my contrasting examples of Nonthaburi and SP.
I think if you are being honest you'll see I've made some good points here.
I disagree with you about the TLC I think it's a good idea in principle that has been poorly timed.

Yes, your of course correct that there are other ways to slow down the game, short passes, get into the corner flag, but how many teams can do this. Not sure why you brought up Nonthaburi letting the ball run out of play? What tactic is that? Your just giving the ball away, giving it back to the opposing team, thats hardly a working 'tactic'.

Besides, lets move on know. We've both put our points across on this subject.

[BKK_Mackem]

You two should get a room ... or if you fail to agree on what number room ... a penalty shootout should suffice. 

[the_englishman]

Blimey! It's like a Thai soap opera in here ....

Well obviously I'd be the smart, totally uncorrupt and fearless copper, but who would play the over the top ladyboy?

[glenn_pattaya]

When you mentioned the over the top ladyboy - why did I think of BG Man??  (sorry mate)

[BangkokGlassBunny]

When you mentioned the over the top ladyboy - why did I think of BG Man??  (sorry mate)

Yeah, I'm experienced at trying to conceal my 'crown jewels'. The BG Man suit isn't very forgiving if I don't smooth out a few bumps. (possibly too much information?? )

Anyway, let me know when you start the filming

[BangkokGlassBunny]

Christian looks like a good signing.

Not sure how much to read into this....

but today my wife was congratulating Christian on his superb performance yesterday and this was his reply:



I'm not sure why he would tell my wife this so publicly, but if there is any truth in it...

The Englishman... know anything about it??

Do you think Christian got a bit of a telling off for his Facebook 'joke' with my wife?

His latest status 

[SriRachaShark]

Christian looks like a good signing.

Not sure how much to read into this....

but today my wife was congratulating Christian on his superb performance yesterday and this was his reply:



I'm not sure why he would tell my wife this so publicly, but if there is any truth in it...

The Englishman... know anything about it??

Do you think Christian got a bit of a telling off for his Facebook 'joke' with my wife?

His latest status 

Hard to tell, as I can't make head nor tail of that!